Uh I hope you understand that keep it simple is not just a matter of "let's all agree with what the cool kids" want. We don't have to discuss preferential voting to death - but it seems to me that at least enouigh people favor to make it worth voting on the question. And it is not that complicated. All it does is, in the rare cases where there more than two choices required, give people a chance to say what their second choice is in case their first choice does not win. No one has to give a second choice. Then peoples list of favortes, second favorites and so on, help us determine who would win a run-off if no option is first choice of a majority. Not complicated. The arguments against it are complicated.

And I will say there has been at least as much endless blabbing from the keep it simple crowd as from everyone else. It seems that some of this is what ita proposed as a thread title - "everybody shut up and agree with me".

Uh I hope you understand that keep it simple is not just a matter of "let's all agree with what the cool kids" want.

I swear to god, the next time someone uses a phrase like "cool kids", "higher status", or "I'm not a true Buffista", I'm going to start a campaign to bring Riley back. I mean it.

Uh I hope you understand that keep it simple is not just a matter of "let's all agree with what the cool kids" want.

Oh, good. This argument again.

Walking away now.

I would very much like to hear what people think are the serious issues that demand voting. The reason I was never in favor of voting in the first place was because it seemed to me that things run well here already. The only regular decisions are thread naming, or thread creation, and I haven't seen a lot tsuris over those issues. Although I can also understand wanting to have a system in place to decide those things, it seems as if the cure is worse than the disease at this point.

What other decisions are there that make this voting thing so important?

methinks this anathema guy still doesn't understand the definition of "lurk"

I'd rather have the Tyranny of the Easily Upset than the Tyranny of the Obnoxious Blowhards

Am I an OB, Plei? I thought I was more of an obnoxious blow-soft.

This is just becoming to cutesy for words, but what if the Easily Upset are too easily upset to deal with the question of throwing out the Obnoxious Blowhards? That way we get the worst of both worlds.

Is this all about thread proliferation, or are there other things being discussed?

Off the top of my head? Thing that have actually come up? Troll policies, spoiler policies, user feedback (wuffie thing).

I really really feel like if we can get to a place where we have a procedure for decision-making, there really aren't that many decisions to be made. At this point. It's just that the "procedure" we had was making people unhappy.

And I will say there has been at least as much endless blabbing from the keep it simple crowd as from everyone else. It seems that some of this is what ita proposed as a thread title - "everybody shut up and agree with me".

Yeah. Because we've finally snapped. No, seriously. At least for me.

FOURTEEN PEOPLE. FOURTEEN.

And, FWIW, I was #15. I asked. But I hear there was a large gap between 14 and 15 in terms of numbers.

See Kat's posts before, with which I heartily agreed. There are things too sensitive to mention? For who? That way lies the Tyranny of the Easily Upset.

Then maybe you need to clarify what you meant by "I don't think you want me to." Because I read it as "the examples I have are too controversial to even bring up."

Also, I can't come up with a definition of "cool kids" or whatever that only includes a group of people who all agree with each other. I mean, really.

"let's all agree with what the cool kids"

Wow. I find that incredibly insulting. And now I'm walking away.