For those of you waiting with baited breath to discuss "how we make decision":

I am planning on posting my summary of the idea on WX closer to work time for the Pacific zones.

I was thinking about waiting to post the list I created from our discussion of all the different issues/changes until after we decide this, because I think that will just encourage us to talk about that rather than the matter at hand.

I also think there are things we can just strike off that list due to lack of interest, but I just don't want to do on my own. On the other hand, some of those things (whuffie) seem to generate very strong reactions, so if we aren't thinking of doing them, I'd rather not discuss.

Input or objections? (if I don't respond it is because I am on my way to work.

Also, if we want to put this off longer, I don't care personally. I just volunteered to become keeper of a logical list-- I don't want to force anyone into anything!

Thanks, Sophia.

That's all the input I have for the meantime, since I'm not caught up yet.

I also think there are things we can just strike off that list due to lack of interest, but I just don't want to do on my own.

Sophia, I would suggest keeping the things that appear to be non-issues, but put a comment next to them to the effect of "This has been discussed and seems to be a non-issue, however, since not everyone was at WX, we wanted to make sure that everyone was aware of it."

Or something that sounds less authoritarian.

That is a good idea, juliana, thanks!

Me, I don't mind sounding authoritarian.

I even have the beginning of a proposal for decision-making! Let's set up votes@buffistas.org, and people can email their votes there. If we're trying to decide on Proposal A, anyone who wants can just email with their response, and someone can tally. I'd be willing to tally much of the time, but can't always promise promptness. And if People put a brief description of the proposal and their vote in the subject line, it would be pretty darn easy to tally. Give it 48 hours for voting, with an announcement in Press, and then close it.

I think this would allow anyone who wants to to vote (unlike Mr. Poll), while keeping the votes out of this thread and in one place.

Thoughts?

What is the problem with Mr. Poll?

Mr. Poll doesn't guarantee that people don't cheat -- you can vote more than once. And some people (for reasons I'm not clear on) can't get to the website at all.

Firewalls and stuff.

Mr. Poll allows people to vote over and over again. You could vote 10 times for whatever you please.

Jesse, good idea with the email vote. Cumbersome, but the best idea I have heard so far for getting an accurate vote on something. And maybe a good idea to place a post in other threads, too, linking people to each Bureau post to be voted on. That way you get the attention of people who don't come in Bureau.

I like it Jesse:

For those not over on WX on the weekend:

Many administrative issues came up. A lot of it was venting. We came up with a list of issues/solutions, and then realized that we have no way of coming up with decisions that people can be happy with. We try to for a consensus, but sometimes it ends up being whoever is left after people get tired of talking making the decision.

It was proposed that

d) Once something is voted on, we close that subject for discussion until 6 months or a year has passed.

Allyson's post is more detailed:

Why not a So It Is Written, So It Shall Be thread for community decisions?

At that point, people can philibuster til their heart's content, until March 3rd, when a Mr.Poll announcement is made, and people can vote for another week. Votes are tallied and the decision is posted.