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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Burrell - Oct 10, 2002 11:38:15 pm PDT #463 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I'm not down with the summarizing for the simple reason that I cannot be trusted to be able to summarize the previous 100 posts, unless I've just been trying to power through them, in which case I'll be mildly huffy and therefore not wanting to summarize them. But that's just me.


lori - Oct 11, 2002 12:33:01 am PDT #464 of 10001

No on the summaries.


Theodosia - Oct 11, 2002 5:48:56 am PDT #465 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I'd be terrible at summarizing because I'm only going to be able to remember the shiny things like discussion of voter turnout and completely forget the discussion of, um consignment shops, et cetera.


Typo Boy - Oct 11, 2002 5:51:35 am PDT #466 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

There is a technological solution to the summaries possible. But, due to the wetware, it would not work.

It would not be that tough to add a new field to the posts table (whatever it may be called) "summary". Anyone who think their post is worth summarizing could simply fill in the summary field which would be short. Summary view would , of course, show only the non-blank summary fields.

The problem is that

A) Most people would not take the trouble to fill in the summary field.

B) Probably those making the most important posts would be least likely.

C) And the summary field would be used for various sorts of jokes, and added snark. So anyone trying acess a summary view would get few summaries and a lot if injokes.

Ultimately, I think we are better off just sticking to skipping and skimming. Summaries run into the human component; as I said it's a wetware problem.


Laura - Oct 11, 2002 6:21:46 am PDT #467 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

When a summary has been requested in the past some poster has provided it without a formal system. Don't think the system is broke.


Sue - Oct 11, 2002 6:22:16 am PDT #468 of 10001
hip deep in pie

Another thought: Maybe number slutting (or just hitting) means you do a quick precis on the last one hundred posts

That's assuming you read the last 100 post. (Skipper and skimmer here.)

I'm not down with the summarizing for the simple reason that I cannot be trusted to be able to summarize the previous 100 posts, unless I've just been trying to power through them, in which case I'll be mildly huffy and therefore not wanting to summarize them.

I'm Burrell here.

My other problem with the number slutting is I almost never notice the number of my posts.


Jessica - Oct 11, 2002 7:28:39 am PDT #469 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

I insist on large batches of grumpy East Coasters backing you up before I give up on this entertaining idea.

Grumpy East Coaster checking in here.

Not everyone can Natter. Not everyone will Natter. It's just one thread. The John H Natter Diet allows people to jump into the conversation, and if something wasn't covered in either Beep Me, Press, or the last 50 posts, they can always just ask about it.


amych - Oct 11, 2002 7:52:56 am PDT #470 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Hate the summaries. I almost never notice my post numbers, and furthermore don't especially relish being given assignments in a place I come for fun.

Also, I'm with ita on not really wanting to be summarized either.


§ ita § - Oct 11, 2002 7:55:32 am PDT #471 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I understand where you're coming from on trying to ease this, Hec, but really, it's up to an individual to work out how and how much of any thread they can handle. There are people who are intimidated by the volume in the show threads too. What do we do then? There's a million ways to handle it, and there will be no pop quiz at the end.

So you miss stuff. It'll be okay.


Jesse - Oct 11, 2002 7:57:54 am PDT #472 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Yeah. I hate to say it, but I'd be hopeless at summarizing. Someone asked me the other day what was going on in Natter, and my response was basically, "Uh...I dunno. Stuff?"

And I agree that when people have asked for a summary, it's been provided. We don't need a whole institutionalized thing. It's not like Natter is, you know, important.