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A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

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Jon B. - Feb 16, 2003 9:01:48 am PST #4420 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Thanks Nilly. That quote doesn't say anything about what would happen if Buffy died again, so I'll stick with what we've got now in the FAQ.


Anathema - Feb 16, 2003 9:04:21 am PST #4421 of 10001
Jonathan Will Always Be My Hero

The quote doesn't say what would happen if Buffy died again, but she did die again, didn't she? S5 ender, and there was no new slayer called?


Jon B. - Feb 16, 2003 9:08:11 am PST #4422 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

The question in the new FAQ we're referring to is "Why wasn't another slayer called after Buffy died in 'The Gift'?"


Anathema - Feb 16, 2003 9:14:08 am PST #4423 of 10001
Jonathan Will Always Be My Hero

Right. And while Joss can always change his mind, don't both logic and cannon-to-this-point tell us the line runs through Faith?


Anathema - Feb 16, 2003 9:14:54 am PST #4424 of 10001
Jonathan Will Always Be My Hero

"Canon" even?


Nilly - Feb 16, 2003 9:30:45 am PST #4425 of 10001
Swouncing

Whitefonted from [S7 whitefonted episode name] "Potential" (script - don't know if it's aired):

BUFFY: My death is what could make you a Slayer

DAWN: She has to die. I mean, if I ever was the Slayer it would mean she died.

[Edit: I agree with Schmoker - it makes much more sense that since no slayer was called upon Buffy's death at the end of S5, the line now goes through Faith, the way it went through Kendra when Kendra was alive. But, you know, sense may be more linked to math than to storytelling, so the fact that something didn't happen doesn't mean it can't happen, if I'm making any sense]

[Another Edit: somewhat freaky x-post with Jon]


Jon B. - Feb 16, 2003 9:32:30 am PST #4426 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

don't both logic and cannon-to-this-point tell us the line runs through Faith?

No, because
1. we don't know absotively posilutely that a new Slayer wasn't called after The Gift, and
2. The writers could always retcon that because death #2 was a mystical death, it didn't trigger the slayer-calling-doohickey.

My point is that just because something hasn't happened doesn't mean that it canonically can never happen.


Lyra Jane - Feb 16, 2003 9:36:01 am PST #4427 of 10001
Up with the sun

I think we can be pretty certain about #1. But I understand Jon's point, and I also understand we wanted the FAQ to be free of major S7 spoilers. And yeah, the writers can change their minds tomorrow about thisor any point.


§ ita § - Feb 16, 2003 9:44:01 am PST #4428 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm in the camp where we can't be sure of #1, since if a new slayer turns up in Sunnydale, there are plenty of easy and plausible reasons why we hadn't met her yet.


Anathema - Feb 16, 2003 10:16:15 am PST #4429 of 10001
Jonathan Will Always Be My Hero

1. we don't know absotively posilutely that a new Slayer wasn't called after The Gift, and
2. The writers could always retcon that because death #2 was a mystical death, it didn't trigger the slayer-calling-doohickey.

Using this logic, what's the point of the new FAQ? We don't know anything absotively if you put it to that test.

It's as if we were saying that we don't really know Willow is gay because she's been with a guy and the writers could always change their minds.