Do you know what else has blood in it? Blood.

Spike ,'Sleeper'


Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


§ ita § - Jan 27, 2003 10:27:41 am PST #3592 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

facilitate the other types of conversations.

But for this you need a lot of spread, don't you? For every topic people have felt "damn, I wish this hadn't been diluted by ita talking about krav"? Where do you stop? That's exactly my proliferation issue.

Someone (say, like me) who wants to talk with a number of people about a number of things, but will not be able to handle the increased volume with proliferation gets relegated to the natteriest of natter.

I don't see boundaries ... that's my thing.


Jessica - Jan 27, 2003 10:32:49 am PST #3593 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

What kinds of conversations are people missing in Natter, exactly? And why aren't the people who miss the deep conversations starting them up again? If the ratio of chitchat:Real Conversation has gotten too high, it's because the people who want more Real Conversations are waiting for the chit-chatters to start them, IMO. I don't think thread spread is the answer.


Jesse - Jan 27, 2003 10:34:00 am PST #3594 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I also think that too many of the Real Topics on people's minds these days are too touchy and devisive to talk about much.


Theodosia - Jan 27, 2003 10:39:36 am PST #3595 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

t clutches Due South topic close to bosom because it is nice just the way it is


Susan W. - Jan 27, 2003 10:51:36 am PST #3596 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

What kinds of conversations are people missing in Natter, exactly? And why aren't the people who miss the deep conversations starting them up again?

With me, I feel like I try to start/continue deep or just semi-serious conversations with longer posts, but it often doesn't work. I'm not sure thread proliferation is the answer either. I guess I'm just going through one of those inevitable "I feel invisible" phases. (They are inevitable, right? I'm not the only one who sometimes feels invisible?) And I don't mean that anywhere near as whiny as it sounds. I think it's just another case of board growing pains, change we can't control, etc.

I also think that too many of the Real Topics on people's minds these days are too touchy and devisive to talk about much.

And while I can kinda understand that, I still really hate it.


askye - Jan 27, 2003 11:15:46 am PST #3597 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

I'm with Theo--don't mess with Due South!


Lyra Jane - Jan 27, 2003 11:35:12 am PST #3598 of 10001
Up with the sun

I admit, I feel like we've had this conversation before, and I don't know what's to be gained by having it again. Some people like having only one thread to read where they can talk about whatever: some people want their discussion areas segregated to facilitate more in-depth discussion. Depending on our moods and who's around, either view can predominate in bureaucracy.

I'm not trying to be pushy (especially given my not-a-stompy status), but I really think the best way to handle this is to develop a streamlined thread proposal system. One model could be:

1. Desired thread is proposed in Bureaucracy, open for discussion for 12 hours.

2. Poll is established. Thread goes to a poll vote for an additional 24 hours.

3. Majority rules at the end of the 36 hours.

At the moment, we have proposals for an Alias thread, a Miracles thread, a general TV thread, a general movies thread, and a foamies '02 thread. I think voting is going to be more useful than a rehash of the whole sprawl discussion.


Laura - Jan 27, 2003 11:46:39 am PST #3599 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

If voting was going to be used I think that more than a simple majority should be used. I don't think 70% interest and/or approval is unreasonable. I voted for the music thread although I doubt I will ever find time to add it to my message center.


Anne W. - Jan 27, 2003 11:51:23 am PST #3600 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I'm another one who likes the idea that a significant majority should approve the new thread.


Wolfram - Jan 27, 2003 11:51:47 am PST #3601 of 10001
Visilurking

Desired thread is proposed in Bureaucracy, open for discussion for 12 hours.

I suggest none of this take place over a weekend or holiday. I also suggest some method of closing threads if they fall into disuse (or nearly so). And can we discuss an archive link to clean up all the threads on the homepage?