I've been out of the abbey two days, I've beaten a lawman senseless, I've fallen in with criminals. I watched the captain shoot the man I swore to protect. And I'm not even sure if I think he was wrong.

Book ,'Serenity'


Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


§ ita § - Sep 21, 2002 2:25:07 pm PDT #158 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm looking at the links page again. Our current categories are:

  • Buffista Personal Homepages
  • Buffy/Angel Reference Links
  • Core Buffista Sites
  • Fanfics by Buffistas
  • Foamy Pictures of Cast Members
  • Misc.
  • News Stories and Such
  • Recommended Fanfics
  • Worship Tim Minear
  • Other Discussion Boards
  • Fan clubs
  • Buffista Web Journals

Do those make sense? Do they need to be revamped? And I'm wondering about dead links. Someone mentioned the contre les vampires site -- is it dead? moved? pining fjordwise? And I'm sure there are others. I *think* sa said she'd have a look through, but really it would be great if a couple people could sift through them and make sure they're as useful as possible.


DXMachina - Sep 21, 2002 3:24:32 pm PDT #159 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

But of course that does not eliminate the larger issue. One thing someone (Evil Jimi?) said in a joking tone, was that the developers might sell the code. Obviously that would have to wait until a future version. (OK, not obviously - but I suspect it would be better). But why not. ita and others just put a year of their lives into developing this. If they can find buyers, why shouldn't they get paid for their labor?

Some coder types (ie, my husband) are big on open source.

I was wondering about the possibility of releasing the code as open source also. I don't think releasing it as a commercial (or even shareware) product would work, because we'd have to be responsible for actually supporting the product (which would be a hella lotta work). Also, I suspect having an actual income stream could add a lot of complications to our financial situation, like taxes.

OTOH, if we release the code as open source, it could actually do some other groups some good. I know of at least one group that is looking wistfully at our board, trying to figure out if they could do the same for their community, and as more and more boards fold, there may be more similarly inclined groups.


Typo Boy - Sep 21, 2002 3:45:25 pm PDT #160 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Sure - and if it got widely used the open sources could get a nice bonus on their resume. "I was part of the orignal team that developed the Phoenix board software now in use by over 2000 Internet communtites including ...."

But a sale does not have to require support. Go to a feature rich version 2, and sell it to WX or one of the other big names in board software. No support worries.

And I don't think open source neccesarily equals free. Intellectual labor is still work. ita and other put a lot of time and work into this. If they can find a way to get paid for this, it is wrong because ...

Incidentally, I don't know that such revenue would go to the buffistas. We did not the develop it. Of course if ita and Jon, Gud and others suddenly found themselvers with an unexpected sum of money , I suspect at least some of it would go to keep the board running. But that is because they are generous souls - not because of some obligation.


John H - Sep 21, 2002 3:52:38 pm PDT #161 of 10001

I think the main virtue of this board is we built it to look and feel and act the way we wanted it to, not that it does anything wildly different to any of the many other online discussion systems out there.

If other people want to set up a board, there are all kinds of off-the-shelf and free systems they can use, in Perl and PHP.


Typo Boy - Sep 21, 2002 3:58:48 pm PDT #162 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

It seems a lot less buggy than most the other systems. And faster too.


esse - Sep 21, 2002 5:16:11 pm PDT #163 of 10001
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

I *think* sa said she'd have a look through, but really it would be great if a couple people could sift through them and make sure they're as useful as possible.

I did. It's tonight's I-am-so-glad-I-have-nothing-to-do-let's-help-the-Buffistas project.


Alibelle - Sep 21, 2002 5:45:37 pm PDT #164 of 10001
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan

since the only solid offer of up to speed PHP/MySQL assistance I've had has been from Burrell's DH.

Why do I find the fact that Cody does Coding so funny? However, it's stuck in my head that Cody's a Coder, Cody's a Coder...which really has very little bearing on the actual Cody, and more on my crazy fondness for puns.


Burrell - Sep 21, 2002 6:09:49 pm PDT #165 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Then you'll be really amused to find out that his family calls him Code. t /natter


evil jimi - Sep 21, 2002 6:59:53 pm PDT #166 of 10001
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

I was the one who mentioned selling the software as an alternative to WebCrossing -- which is outrageously overpriced -- but although my tone may have been joking, I was serious. However, in hindsight, it probably wouldn't be a good idea to try and profit financially from the software. The similarities to WebX might cause some ... umm ... snarkiness from Lundeen and Co.. Releasing it as Open Source, then ''profiting'' from the addition to your resumé, might be the way to go.


Burrell - Sep 21, 2002 10:11:51 pm PDT #167 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Question: Is there any way to change my login? I just found out that I will need to change my name and email addy if I want any privacy.