Fred: The size and depth of the wound indicate a female vampire. Harmony: Or gay! Fred: Um…it doesn't really work like that.

'Harm's Way'


Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Typo Boy - Sep 21, 2002 12:51:33 pm PDT #154 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

OK, (getting read to post a politcal essay the size of the great American novel.)


DavidS - Sep 21, 2002 1:17:33 pm PDT #155 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Pull up the drawbridge?

I overstated it.

Where's the vibe you're seeing?

Just caution. Protecting This Thing Of Ours. Which is appropriate and right.


Sue - Sep 21, 2002 1:54:24 pm PDT #156 of 10001
hip deep in pie

I think jengod is on to something. We've only been here a week. We've yet to crash the server. We're still on honeymoon with this board, so let's see where moving here takes us.

Also, it is heaven on a stick. So fast, so roomy.


§ ita § - Sep 21, 2002 2:19:12 pm PDT #157 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Just caution. Protecting This Thing Of Ours.

Kinda same-old same-old, though, isn't it? Nothing new about that.


§ ita § - Sep 21, 2002 2:25:07 pm PDT #158 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm looking at the links page again. Our current categories are:

  • Buffista Personal Homepages
  • Buffy/Angel Reference Links
  • Core Buffista Sites
  • Fanfics by Buffistas
  • Foamy Pictures of Cast Members
  • Misc.
  • News Stories and Such
  • Recommended Fanfics
  • Worship Tim Minear
  • Other Discussion Boards
  • Fan clubs
  • Buffista Web Journals

Do those make sense? Do they need to be revamped? And I'm wondering about dead links. Someone mentioned the contre les vampires site -- is it dead? moved? pining fjordwise? And I'm sure there are others. I *think* sa said she'd have a look through, but really it would be great if a couple people could sift through them and make sure they're as useful as possible.


DXMachina - Sep 21, 2002 3:24:32 pm PDT #159 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

But of course that does not eliminate the larger issue. One thing someone (Evil Jimi?) said in a joking tone, was that the developers might sell the code. Obviously that would have to wait until a future version. (OK, not obviously - but I suspect it would be better). But why not. ita and others just put a year of their lives into developing this. If they can find buyers, why shouldn't they get paid for their labor?

Some coder types (ie, my husband) are big on open source.

I was wondering about the possibility of releasing the code as open source also. I don't think releasing it as a commercial (or even shareware) product would work, because we'd have to be responsible for actually supporting the product (which would be a hella lotta work). Also, I suspect having an actual income stream could add a lot of complications to our financial situation, like taxes.

OTOH, if we release the code as open source, it could actually do some other groups some good. I know of at least one group that is looking wistfully at our board, trying to figure out if they could do the same for their community, and as more and more boards fold, there may be more similarly inclined groups.


Typo Boy - Sep 21, 2002 3:45:25 pm PDT #160 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Sure - and if it got widely used the open sources could get a nice bonus on their resume. "I was part of the orignal team that developed the Phoenix board software now in use by over 2000 Internet communtites including ...."

But a sale does not have to require support. Go to a feature rich version 2, and sell it to WX or one of the other big names in board software. No support worries.

And I don't think open source neccesarily equals free. Intellectual labor is still work. ita and other put a lot of time and work into this. If they can find a way to get paid for this, it is wrong because ...

Incidentally, I don't know that such revenue would go to the buffistas. We did not the develop it. Of course if ita and Jon, Gud and others suddenly found themselvers with an unexpected sum of money , I suspect at least some of it would go to keep the board running. But that is because they are generous souls - not because of some obligation.


John H - Sep 21, 2002 3:52:38 pm PDT #161 of 10001

I think the main virtue of this board is we built it to look and feel and act the way we wanted it to, not that it does anything wildly different to any of the many other online discussion systems out there.

If other people want to set up a board, there are all kinds of off-the-shelf and free systems they can use, in Perl and PHP.


Typo Boy - Sep 21, 2002 3:58:48 pm PDT #162 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

It seems a lot less buggy than most the other systems. And faster too.


esse - Sep 21, 2002 5:16:11 pm PDT #163 of 10001
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

I *think* sa said she'd have a look through, but really it would be great if a couple people could sift through them and make sure they're as useful as possible.

I did. It's tonight's I-am-so-glad-I-have-nothing-to-do-let's-help-the-Buffistas project.