Early: Where'd she go? Simon: I can't keep track of her when she's not incorporeally possessing a space ship. Don't look at me.

'Objects In Space'


Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Jon B. - Dec 18, 2002 9:30:48 pm PST #1233 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Jon, why don't we pretend we're having this discussion last week, then.

Sorry, that came out snottier than I intended. Like I said, I bow to consensus, but since thread creation is a rare occurence, I think announcements about them might be missed here. In Press, not so much.


Rebecca Lizard - Dec 18, 2002 9:32:22 pm PST #1234 of 10001
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

But you read here, so you know when a new thread is created.

But someone who comes just for, say, discussion of Buffy, and never reads administrivia threads except SP-- they might think, Hey, it's a LotR thread! I'd like to check that out, and we'd then benefit from their finding about the new thread.

Unless they're a total prat. But whatever.


§ ita § - Dec 18, 2002 9:37:58 pm PST #1235 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But someone who comes just for, say, discussion of Buffy, and never reads administrivia threads except SP

Well, yeah, and if they don't read SP? Then what do we do for them? I figured if you wanted to know what's happening with thread creation, you'd come to the thread where it happens.

I guess all I ask is that they're double posted since while they may not not belong there, they do belong here, and on a day with any busyness, I'm not going to notice them there, just here. Moving them from here bothers me more than duplication. Which does bother me, mind.


Rebecca Lizard - Dec 18, 2002 9:40:43 pm PST #1236 of 10001
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

Well, yeah, and if they don't read SP?

Well, then, they're sunk; but this thread can log a lot of daily posts. I can imagine a situation where someone didn't want to read it, because they decided they wanted to use their Buffista-ing time for less meta-Buffista discussion.

But they might still subscribe to SP, because that way they could get the news if there was anything major to know about (and I'd call thread-creation major, but that's just me), natter-free.

t edit I do think news of thread-creation should be posted both here and in SP, but since any thread creation I can recall to memory right now was accompanied by at least a little bit of discussion here, I can't think of a scenario where an admin would just up and decide to create a new thread, so I can't really see how it's applicable.


billytea - Dec 18, 2002 9:41:14 pm PST #1237 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

But you read here, so you know when a new thread is created. I assumed that people who cared when new threads come about would read where they're created, or scan the list periodically. Otherwise it's an inefficient sort of caring, bound for disappointment.

I don't think that's necessarily true. We have the odd few Buffistas who, due to work pressures or such like, simply don't get to post here as much as they'd like, and when they do they have to make the most efficient use of their postage.

Plus, people who might feel a bit more peripheral (eg only post as a rule in the show threads or certain non-NAFDA discussions or such like) should be reasonably served by the set-up here too.

I guess my basic feeling is that threads don't get created very often, such messages aren't likely to clog the Sunnydale Press, and there may well be certain community subsets for whom it's useful.


§ ita § - Dec 18, 2002 9:43:27 pm PST #1238 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Whatever the community wants goes.

For continuations I think it's redundant, but since my issue is *not* seeing them, it's not like I find it cluttering SP. I just eyeball the front page periodically. And didn't feel disenfranchised doing it, even when I was behind here.


billytea - Dec 18, 2002 9:45:40 pm PST #1239 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

For continuations I think it's redundant, but since my issue is *not* seeing them, it's not like I find it cluttering SP.

Maybe just for new topics, rather than for continuations of existing discussions. Which would make the Firefly notification unnecessary, but not announcements of the Vale 2002 or the LOTR threads.


Michele T. - Dec 18, 2002 9:46:24 pm PST #1240 of 10001
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

I think that's ideal, billytea.


Rebecca Lizard - Dec 18, 2002 9:47:01 pm PST #1241 of 10001
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

Maybe just for new topics, rather than for continuations of existing discussions. Which would make the Firefly notification unnecessary, but not announcements of the Vale 2002 or the LOTR threads.

I could get behind this.


DXMachina - Dec 18, 2002 9:59:09 pm PST #1242 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Another adminstrivial question. Should we change the titles of closed threads to indicate that they are no longer active? What I'm thinking of is adding something similar to the [NAFDA] legend to either the end of the title or the slug, such as [closed]. Mostly so newcomers can tell what's active and what's not.

Also, do we want to put a '1' in the first Firefly thread title, so it matches Buffy 1 and Angel 1?