There’s a huge, unfortunate lack of respect for anything male.
But I don't think things are presented in such a way that we're supposed to think Susan is wrong and Steve is right, or am I just that biased?
I like money better than people. People can so rarely be exchanged for goods and/or services!
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§ ita § - Jan 23, 2012 12:51:48 pm PST #9552 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
P.M. Marc - Jan 23, 2012 1:00:25 pm PST #9553 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
But I don't think things are presented in such a way that we're supposed to think Susan is wrong and Steve is right, or am I just that biased?
Generally, I get the impression we're supposed to see Susan as right, and Steve as wrong.
Polter-Cow - Jan 23, 2012 2:25:44 pm PST #9554 of 9843
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I think that's true. Steve is full of great, hilarious monologues, but they're so full of bluster that I don't think we're meant to take them as truth. We're laughing at him, not with him.
Fred Pete - Jan 24, 2012 4:10:38 am PST #9555 of 9843
Ann, that's a ferret.
I also got the impression that Susan was supposed to be right and Steve was wrong. Or at least he was always on the defensive. Susan was the sane adult one. Steve and Sally could be sane and adult, but they were often better at seeing when their friends were being insane and childish. The other three were so wrapped up in themselves that they couldn't even see how self-centered they were.
As far as the men went, I always saw Jeff as the 12- or 13-year-old who'd enter a number in his calculator so, when you turned the calculator upside down, it'd say "boobies." Patrick was slightly more mature than Jeff, say 15 or 16, but tended to approach women as little more than blow-up dolls made flesh. Steve was, oh, 18 or so, realized that relationships were complicated, but DAMMIT, WHY DID THEY HAVE TO BE SO COMPLICATED?
amyth - Jan 25, 2012 4:27:04 pm PST #9556 of 9843
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen
x-post from Natter: I have a question for someone Scottish, or someone who knows someone Scottish. A FOAF is writing a book set in Scotland and has a question about a turn of phrase.
Thanks!
Fiona - Jan 25, 2012 9:40:21 pm PST #9557 of 9843
I grew up in Scotland, amyth, and I'd be happy to take a look. Mae Scots is a wee bit rusty, though.
amyth - Jan 26, 2012 4:22:15 am PST #9558 of 9843
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen
Great, thank you, Fiona! I'll email you at your profile addy.
amyth - Jan 26, 2012 3:11:24 pm PST #9559 of 9843
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen
Fiona, my FOAF's response to your answers. I thought I'd post it here.
This is exactly what I needed, the notes on context greatly appreciated. Please thank the Scottish Buffista very kindly for me!
What is a Buffista, by the way?
Maybe I'll just lend her Allyson's book.
Fiona - Jan 26, 2012 8:22:57 pm PST #9560 of 9843
Thanks amy!
§ ita § - Feb 02, 2012 5:25:00 am PST #9561 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
So apparently Moffat tweeted that if John and Sherlock weren't in love, he didn't know what love was. And that he was probably deleting it right away.
Yeah, trolling the masses.