I'm not sure I'd count Sally as sane and adult. Though maybe she became sane and adult after I stopped watching?
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P.M. Marc - Jan 23, 2012 12:03:56 pm PST #9541 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
P.M. Marc - Jan 23, 2012 12:04:38 pm PST #9542 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
(I mean, honestly, Susan is the only one I'd classify as close to sane and adult, and even that's a stretch for me.)
§ ita § - Jan 23, 2012 12:06:35 pm PST #9543 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm not sure I'd count Sally as sane and adult
Neither would I. She's waspish, mean, and vain. Susan is sensible, responsible, sex-positive, and generally got a handle on her neuroses, etc, though.
§ ita § - Jan 23, 2012 12:07:04 pm PST #9544 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
(Do you really think *I* would consider Sally sane or adult? I'm confused)
P.M. Marc - Jan 23, 2012 12:16:33 pm PST #9545 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I was thrown because you said "not the Moffat character" for the man, but Steve *is* the Moffat character, and Susan is based on Sue.
P.M. Marc - Jan 23, 2012 12:17:05 pm PST #9546 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
(In which case, I think it's safe to say that he likes that kind of woman very much, and that kind of woman puts up with him.)
P.M. Marc - Jan 23, 2012 12:18:19 pm PST #9547 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
And for the threepeat, nope, I wouldn't normally think you'd consider Sally sane or adult, so I was wicked confused for a bit when I thought you were explicitly excluding Susan.
§ ita § - Jan 23, 2012 12:23:46 pm PST #9548 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Steve *is* the Moffat character
In the article above, Moffat identified himself with Patrick. That's what I was alluding to. I guess he sees himself in more than one, no rule against that. I just didn't know he did. Sorry.
P.M. Marc - Jan 23, 2012 12:27:54 pm PST #9549 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
In the article above, Moffat identified himself with Patrick. That's what I was alluding to. I guess he sees himself in more than one, no rule against that. I just didn't know he did. Sorry.
Yeah, that article is kind of a jumble compared to a lot of them. Steve and Susan's courtship and life is explicitly based on Steven and Sue's courtship and life (at times painfully so), though I don't know if he every accidentally gifted Beryl with an inappropriate gift.
billytea - Jan 23, 2012 12:28:25 pm PST #9550 of 9843
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.
What I'm surprised about is that of the six characters on Coupling, one was sane and adult, and it was a woman. There was a guy who could possibly achieve emotional adulthood, but it would definitely be because that one woman dragged him there. This is not the Moffat character, either. Moffat might dislike that kind of woman (articles make it sound so), but he wrote her well enough to fool me.
Well. Going by that quote, "if you live in a civilised country and you’re sort of educated and middle-class, because then you’re almost certainly junior in your relationship and in a state of permanent, crippled apology. Your preferences are routinely mocked. There’s a huge, unfortunate lack of respect for anything male." That describes Steve very well, really. (And Jeff, though that only starts to describe Jeff.)