No. And yes. It's always sudden.

Tara ,'Storyteller'


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P.M. Marc - Jan 06, 2012 10:04:32 am PST #9406 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Frankenstein is pre-Victorian, but it's been worked and reworked in a similar way.


Atropa - Jan 06, 2012 10:17:07 am PST #9407 of 9843
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Plus, hell, you can be kind and still scheme. These are not mutually exclusive, Watson's lens aside.

Yes, and anyone who thinks otherwise is more than a bit naive.


amych - Jan 06, 2012 10:18:10 am PST #9408 of 9843
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

A Christmas Carol.


§ ita § - Jan 06, 2012 10:22:12 am PST #9409 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Tarzan? Comparable? When's the last time someone explicitly touched the franchise in a mass market way?


DavidS - Jan 06, 2012 10:24:19 am PST #9410 of 9843
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

When's the last time someone explicitly touched the franchise in a mass market way?

I don't know. Disney? But it's had many many iterations and was almost constantly in play in movies/tv/comic strips/comic books for 80 years.


Typo Boy - Jan 06, 2012 10:25:04 am PST #9411 of 9843
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Holmes finds her clever and amusing, and admires that she defeated him (arguably with a head start, mind). No doubt there. Not seeing how this goes against my reading, which I've said has the truth somewhere in the grey zone of he said, she said.

Because you said that her dealing with terrorist in 21st century Sherlock gives the same emotional impact as the original story. I'd say not really the equivalent. By the end of the story in Doyle I don't think we have anything like the feeling we have for a demi-terrorist.

I would add that keeping taking the photo over jewels and referring to her ever afterword as 'The Woman' and dialing back on the misogyny shows a degree of respect that goes beyond amusement and admiration.


Calli - Jan 06, 2012 10:29:09 am PST #9412 of 9843
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Sherlock and Dracula make for an interesting pairing. (I mean in a non-slashy way, this time, oddly enough.) One's all cold intellect, puzzle solving, working toward justice. The other's hot blood, desire, with animalistic overtones (changing into bats, growing fangs, etc.). Yet they both came from about the same time period, from the same country, and are continually being reworked for public consumption. And a lot of people are fans of both. (And, as mentioned above, there's even a Christopher Lee crossover connection.) Id and super ego?


Atropa - Jan 06, 2012 10:30:22 am PST #9413 of 9843
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Sherlock and Dracula make for an interesting pairing

Eh, I wasn't that captivated by the Sherlock Holmes vs. Dracula novel I read.


P.M. Marc - Jan 06, 2012 10:34:04 am PST #9414 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Because you said that her dealing with terrorist in 21st century Sherlock gives the same emotional impact as the original story. I'd say not really the equivalent. By the end of the story in Doyle I don't think we have anything like the feeling we have for a demi-terrorist.
No, that's not what I said.

I do think that, much like ACD Holmes and Watson were originally written as young men and the BBC series has tried to recapture the that feel for the audience and push away the cobwebs, the reinterpretation of Adler for modern audiences seems to try to recapture some of what the original readers would have read into the character in the portrayal.

Is what I said. If you want more specifics, what I'm referring to here is her position. In a day and age when a rock star's mistress can be the wife of the French leader, an affair with an opera singer doesn't have the impact that it did in the 1890s.


P.M. Marc - Jan 06, 2012 10:34:55 am PST #9415 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Oh, and once again, the end of the Doyle story in BBC occurs before, long before, the end of the actual story.