You got all kinds of learnin' and you made me look the fool without tryin', and yet here I am with a gun to your head. That's 'cause I got people with me. People who trust each other, who do for each other, and ain't always lookin' for the advantage.

Mal ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Fay - Jan 31, 2009 5:44:52 pm PST #8711 of 9843
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

McDonalds. KFC. Burger King. Pizza. Junk food, basically.

That's the first thing, by a long way, simply because it's the US that has done that whole fast food franchise thing and exported it to the entire planet. It is all-pervasive.

I know that's not what all US cuisine is, but in much the same way that I'd associate curry with India or pasta with Italy I'd associate deep fried processed junk food in a prefabricated container with America.

If I was supposed to think of something nicer, but also typically American, I guess Tex-Mex would come to mind, and salad bars, and gourmet icecream bars with a zillion different flavours.

(Keep in mind that my nation is infamous for having crap food, and boiling everything to death. Which isn't fair these days, I think, if it ever was, but that's our reputation.)


§ ita § - Jan 31, 2009 5:47:42 pm PST #8712 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What'd occur to me would be burgers, hot dogs, pizza, fried chicken, barbeque-- not necessarily from a fast food place.


Hil R. - Jan 31, 2009 5:55:03 pm PST #8713 of 9843
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

(Keep in mind that my nation is infamous for having crap food, and boiling everything to death. Which isn't fair these days, I think, if it ever was, but that's our reputation.)

My family went on vacation to London about ten years ago, and my mother still complains that English people put peas in everything. (She, for some reason, really hates peas, and got increasingly aggravated when every dish brought to her -- including, she insists, oatmeal -- had peas in it.)

My impression of English food up until then was mostly gleaned from children's books, so it was mostly various sorts of candy and desserts. I saw treacle pudding on a restaurant menu and just had to try it because I'd seen it in so many books, and have a very sort of "Huh. That's it?" reaction. And I never did find any Turkish Delight.


Hil R. - Jan 31, 2009 6:06:06 pm PST #8714 of 9843
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

You think of salad bars as American? Interesting. I'd never considered that.

I think that what I think of as American food is really New England food -- clam chowder, corn chowder, lobster, cornbread, maple sugar candy, Indian pudding, pumpkin pie, turkey, and stuff like that. (And then once I'm thinking in that direction anyway, I start thinking of Toll House pie, which I think is also just a New England thing -- Toll House cookie dough put into a pie crust and baked, and then topped with chocolate syrup if you really want the sugar rush.) Once I think about it, I remember barbecue and Tex-Mex and stuff from other regions, but that's not my first thought when I think of "American" food.


sumi - Jan 31, 2009 6:18:28 pm PST #8715 of 9843
Art Crawl!!!

Cornbread isn't, strictly speaking, just New England. Hordes of people from South of the Mason-Dixon will be most upset with you about that one.


Hil R. - Jan 31, 2009 6:19:22 pm PST #8716 of 9843
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Very true, sumi.


Fay - Jan 31, 2009 7:39:30 pm PST #8717 of 9843
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

My family went on vacation to London about ten years ago, and my mother still complains that English people put peas in everything. (She, for some reason, really hates peas, and got increasingly aggravated when every dish brought to her -- including, she insists, oatmeal -- had peas in it.)

???

...ooookaay.

You think of salad bars as American?

afaik, they are an American phenomenon. A very nice one.


Fiona - Feb 01, 2009 1:21:43 am PST #8718 of 9843

The American food cliché is, I would agree, fast and/or junk food, including the food that it's absorbed from other cultures (pizza, the hamburger and frankfurter) and made its own.

Here, also, if you want a good burger, spare ribs or, in particular, a good steak, you can visit an upmarket American diner, steakhouse or Tex-Mex place. So it's not all negative, but you definitely get what you pay for.

Hil, I don't know where you went to eat when you were in the UK, but I have never, ever had peas in anything I've eaten there unless specifically ordered.


billytea - Feb 01, 2009 2:30:34 am PST #8719 of 9843
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

So, my question for unAmericans is, what do you think of when you think of "American food"?

I'd generally think of junk food, though perhaps at least to the level of the family restaurant such as Chili's rather than KFC or Maccas. I will note, there's good food to be had in America, but it's not distinctly American. Likewise, Ireland is not known for its innovative cuisine, but I had fantastic meals in Ireland - in Swedish restaurants, Indian restaurants, Turkish restaurants, anything but Irish food.


Hil R. - Feb 01, 2009 4:15:55 am PST #8720 of 9843
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

With the peas, I do not at all remember the peas in the oatmeal, but my mother insists it happened. Mostly it was that, whatever she ordered in a restaurant, there were peas on the side, or sometimes mixed in with the rice or something. I think it may have just been coincidence.

(I found that English restaurants tended to be a bit more accommadating of my vegetarianism than American restaurants tended to be, especially at the lower end -- like, little sandwich stands selling premade sandwiches would generally have some cheese sandwiches, while the equivalent type places in the US would generally only have meat. When I went to Ireland a few years later, everywhere had a bunch of vegetarian options -- way more than I'd expected. I commented on it, and someone said that a lot more people were eating vegetarian because of Mad Cow.)

Likewise, Ireland is not known for its innovative cuisine, but I had fantastic meals in Ireland - in Swedish restaurants, Indian restaurants, Turkish restaurants, anything but Irish food.

When I went to Ireland, the guidebook I had mentioned an Irish restaurant in Dublin with something like, "If you really want to try traditional Irish food, this is probably your best bet." I went there and got a sort of potato crepe wrapped around a vegetable filling, which was OK, I guess.