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All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Scrappy - Mar 15, 2005 6:16:14 am PST #7522 of 9843
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

We say "Eh eh ehhh" a lot too! I don't why that's so damn funny, but it is.


esse - Mar 26, 2005 6:25:46 am PST #7523 of 9843
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

I still randomly say "the only gay in the village!" and nobody gets it but me.


DavidS - Mar 26, 2005 7:18:38 am PST #7524 of 9843
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I still randomly say "the only gay in the village!" and nobody gets it but me.

Heh. I'd get that. I liked the daft Scottish innkeeper too.


Jars - Mar 26, 2005 9:52:39 am PST #7525 of 9843

Okay, so I love the new Dr. Who. Russell T. Davies does it again. Much joy.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Mar 26, 2005 10:16:14 am PST #7526 of 9843
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

What I'm wondering is can a Buffy-informed community like this take a sci-fi show that's simply accepting exactly the gender stereotypes Joss set out to subvert? (In the opening scene, I kept expecting Rose to pull out a stake. Later, they found the bad guy in the sewer. Next question: is Joss a Dr. Who fan who pulled those elements from previous Doctors?)

I know I'll keep watching-- the whole family will be-- mostly for the laughs (I concur about RTD, btw), but also to keep spotting the influences (next week's episode trailer shows that it'll start with the world exploding. Familar to British sci-fi fans at all? )


Fiona - Mar 27, 2005 12:29:54 am PST #7527 of 9843

I thought it was great. It absolutely hit the right balance between honouring the legacy and striking its own new tone. Ecclestone was perfect and Billie Piper didn't even annoy me that much. Loved the evil wheelie bin and the schtick with the London Eye.

Gender stereotyping here or there; the Doctor has always been an Alpha Male, I couldn't imagine him any other way, and his female companions haven't all been wimps. Rose looks as though she'll give as good as she gets.

Didn't I read that Joanna Lumley played a female Doctor once for Comic Relief or something? That would have been interesting to see.

On edit: the one thing I didn't like too much was how they'd messed with the theme tune. They sort of stuck it all on a synthesiser, so the depth was lost. Nothing can beat the Radiophonic Workshop original, I'm not sure why they didn't just use that one.


billytea - Mar 27, 2005 2:33:10 am PST #7528 of 9843
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Didn't I read that Joanna Lumley played a female Doctor once for Comic Relief or something? That would have been interesting to see.

She did, in The Curse of Fatal Death. Though it was a short appearance. The primary actor playing the Doctor was Rowan Atkinson. (Richard E. Grant and Jim Broadbent also got a turn.)


Jars - Mar 27, 2005 2:52:29 am PST #7529 of 9843

The one homage to the past that I could have done without was the cheesy special effects. Considering the amount of effort the Beeb seemed to put into it otherwise, you'd think they could have stretched the budget a bit on something so crucial.


Fiona - Mar 27, 2005 7:48:55 am PST #7530 of 9843

Here's a brief quote from an Observer article on the new Doctor Who:

However, it's not the contemporary values that make the show. It is its clever imitation of US hits such as Buffy and Angel : a mixture of smart, ironic humour and creepy horror. 'That won't last,' says the Doctor, peering at a couple posing for the pages of Heat . 'He's gay and she's an alien.' And Rose has some equally sassy gags. Told that an Evil Intelligence is going to bring all the world's plastic to life, she gasps: 'What, even breast implants?'


Am-Chau Yarkona - Mar 27, 2005 9:49:57 pm PST #7531 of 9843
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

Fiona, I totally agree with your whitefont. Jars, which bits of the special effects seemed cheesy to you? I was expecting the plotline to be a little on the cheesy side, but I was pleasantly surprised by the technical quality of the special effects.

Gender stereotyping here or there; the Doctor has always been an Alpha Male, I couldn't imagine him any other way, and his female companions haven't all been wimps. Rose looks as though she'll give as good as she gets.

In terms of witty lines, she certainly did in this episode-- and she did go looking for information rather than sitting back and waiting for him to turn up again. I don't think I'll stop watching because of the gender issue, but it stood out so strongly to me I felt that was my first thing to comment on.

On edit: the one thing I didn't like to much was how they'd messed with the theme tune. They sort of stuck it all on a synthesiser, so the depth was lost. Nothing can beat the Radiophonic Workshop original, I'm not sure why they didn't just use that one.

I guess it was another attempt to make it clear that this was a new version, not just a copy of the old. But they probably could have done a better job of it.

I think the Observer is quite right aout that-- and it may well be that's part of what made the stereotyping thing stand out so strongly, that in a show that used lines like that I was expecting Whedon-style reversals as well.