It's what the Superbowl winners are supposed to say in the post-game interview.
Is that where it comes from?
Simon: I'm trying to put this as delicately as I can... How do I know you won't kill me in my sleep? Mal: You don't know me, son. So let me explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed.
'Serenity'
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Jim - Aug 14, 2003 7:20:31 am PDT #6313 of 9843
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!
DavidS - Aug 14, 2003 7:23:01 am PDT #6314 of 9843
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Is that where it comes from?
Yeah, it was a very clever Disney promotion. They'd pay huge dollars to the opposing quarterbacks and whoever won just had to remember to say their line into the camara while they were out celebrating on the field. Actually it wasn't just quarterbacks - it was other champions in other sports as well.
evil jimi - Aug 14, 2003 8:52:50 am PDT #6315 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.
Hmmm. I did not know that.
Thank fuck it wasn't said, then.
Madrigal Costello - Aug 14, 2003 11:08:53 am PDT #6316 of 9843
It's a remora, dimwit.
Eh, I think it would have fit with the amount of thought they put into it. Considering what they'd been saying all season about evil, what Buffy did would just make evil more powerful, completely fuck over the world, and doom a whole bunch more girls. But she got out okay, as did her friends, so it's all hunky-dory and they should go to Disneyland and throw churros off the ferris wheel.
§ ita § - Aug 14, 2003 11:18:44 am PDT #6317 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
what Buffy did would just make evil more powerful, completely fuck over the world
Why?
she got out okay, as did her friends
Not all of her friends. And they lost a whole town. I'm scared by the acceptable casualties in your world.
Madrigal Costello - Aug 14, 2003 11:21:57 am PDT #6318 of 9843
It's a remora, dimwit.
Okay, they established that the reason FE was so much more powerful was that Buffy's rebirth - the whole two slayers thing, upset the balance. So what does Buffy do? She upsets it even further by calling all the potentials to be slayers. In Buffy's defense, Giles and Anya were keeping some major secrets to her, but as Buffy is not God, her not knowing something to be true doesn't make it untrue. And most of Buffy's friends got out okay. She allows for the loss or death of her friends' SO's.
§ ita § - Aug 14, 2003 11:26:21 am PDT #6319 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
She upsets it even further by calling all the potentials to be slayers.
But we don't know it upsets the balance. It's not at all implied by the text that it's an inevitable result. Who says calling a potential is the same as bringing a slayer back to life twice? Joss didn't, and I'm willing to take his absence of word for it.
She allows for the loss or death of her friends' SO's.
Huh? Has she been shown to be insensitive to the deaths of Scoobs? She fought for Oz, fought for Tara -- I don't get your POV.
Madrigal Costello - Aug 14, 2003 11:34:27 am PDT #6320 of 9843
It's a remora, dimwit.
She's shown some sensitivity, but they're acceptable losses. I'm thinking of when Jenny and Tara died, and pretty much the only thing she was thinking about was keeping Giles and Willow from killing people.
They didn't specifically say that calling new slayers would have the same effect as bringing back Buffy would, but they have said that there's a common demonic power source for slayers. There was never a moment of consideration that with the information presented, one could draw the conclusion that Buffy's plan could have dire repercussions. One of the show's strengths has been dealing with consequences, even good deeds have their share of pain and side effects. Buffy won the battle, but they didn't show that she won the war.
Holli - Aug 14, 2003 11:35:47 am PDT #6321 of 9843
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore
I don't know if the point is that she won or lost-- I took the point as being that she doesn't have to fight alone anymore.
Frankenbuddha - Aug 14, 2003 11:38:14 am PDT #6322 of 9843
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
The Battle's Done, and we kinda won, but the path is still unclear...Where do we go, from here?