Joyce: Dawn, you be good. Xander: We will. Just gonna play with some matches, run with scissors, take candy from some guy, I don't know his name.

'Beneath You'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Trudy Booth - Jul 22, 2003 8:27:48 pm PDT #5852 of 9843
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

How long until the finale? And is this the last batch to get it?


JohnSweden - Jul 22, 2003 8:29:12 pm PDT #5853 of 9843
I can't even.

Ditto me, but I'm a big softie about stuff like something that has been hugely important to me for SEVEN YEARS ending.

Ahem.


§ ita § - Jul 22, 2003 8:31:00 pm PDT #5854 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I cried because it was the end, but I also cried because Joss wrote some tugging stuff -- stuff that'd have made me cry at any point in the season.

And maybe I cried because I wished he'd written more of the season.


Allan Lang - Jul 22, 2003 8:43:07 pm PDT #5855 of 9843
'And on that tragic day, an era came to its inevitable end.' That's all there is.

There's some talk and Buffybot asks what race of humans are small enough to live in this town. Has anyone else noticed this

I undestand it was in the 2 hr seasom opener episode, but those places that saw it as 2 episodes lost the flying cars for the extra set of cast credits.


Emlah - Jul 22, 2003 9:43:16 pm PDT #5856 of 9843
To every idea a shelf...

Aw, yeah--that's what I'm talking about. I think I may need a cigarette or something.
Peace Out--the second-to-last episode.

I really enjoyed it too. I found the last couple of episodes a bit slow, so I loved that things started moving along good and fast this week. I lovelovelove that Connor knew it was a lie but decided to believe it anyway because it was a pretty lie. I swing back and forth on the hotness of Connor, but I was on board this week because he got to do more than glower and smirk. He was cute as a button when he was trying to find out if Jasmine ate Cordy. Hee! I'm a bit confused though - Wesley, Gunn and Lorne realised Jasmine was a lie without looking directly at Miss Rotty McMaggotface, right? Some of the stuff in this episode suggested to me that the spell isn't properly broken until you see her all decaying. Anyway, I'm so excited for the finale!

Waaah! My television finally decided to die tonight. I think the tube exploded or something, in any case it seems terminal. Fortunately the VCR is still working so I'm taping stuff, but I'm going to be on severe delay.

That's all shades of sucktacular. How long will you be TVless? Shall we whitefont on the side of caution for now?


Kassto - Jul 22, 2003 9:58:00 pm PDT #5857 of 9843
`He combed his hair, Put on a shirt that his mother made, And he went on the air...'

Ah, that'll be the reason, Allan, thanks for that.


Nilly - Jul 22, 2003 10:55:49 pm PDT #5858 of 9843
Swouncing

So the characters say one thing, and the captions don't match at all? Ew.

In subtitles, often they change meaning without paying any attention. A character may say "I want to eat", the subtitle reads "I do NOT want to eat", and then the character goes eating and the non-English-speaking viewer is left very confused. Sometimes it's just that a character gives a number and in the subtitle they put a completely different one, things like that. I know that translation is a very difficult task, especially with this time constraint that scrappy mentioned in movies/tv that adds complications, but these are just I-don't-care-enough mistakes.

Many times when a character quotes something from the bible in a language that is not Hebrew, translators miss the fact that they cam use the original quote and not re-translate the translation. It's like a riddle - which biblical phrase is being rephrased right now. But it can get worse. In "Prince of Egypt" there's a scene where everybody sings a few verses from the book of Exodus in Hebrew. It too me a minute to realize it was Hebrew, because the accents were a bit strange, and then my brother noticed that the subtitles and the words the characters are pronouncing are completely different, with pretty much the same meaning. What we figured was that the subtitles were a translation from the English subtitles that we assumed had appeared on the screen for that part in original version, because the words weren't in English. It didn't have the 'hear faster than you read' problem, because it was a enough slow song.

Then again, I have started to watch most movies with the English subtitles on, because if I'm not paying attention and miss hearing something, I can read the screen and catch up.

We are so used to watching movies with the aid of subtitles, that many people, when watching a show in Hebrew, have to turn the volume higher or find it difficult to follow the dialog. Oh, and we're so used to be able to follow each and every word spoken on screen, because they all appear in front of our eyes in the translation, that several people were genuinely surprised when I told them that even native-English-speakers don't understand each and every single word pronounced in a movie - they thought that they couldn't follow the subtitles-less-dialog properly because their English wasn't good enough, not because of any other reason.


Angus G - Jul 23, 2003 12:10:46 am PDT #5859 of 9843
Roguish Laird

That's all shades of sucktacular. How long will you be TVless?

Actually I plugged it in again tonight and it's working, bizarrely enough! So that suggests it's probably something to do with the circuitry (I dunno, does that sound right?)...certainly not the tube in any case, which suggests it's at least fixable! I have yesterday's Buffy on tape so I'll watch it tonight, although...

People who know about this stuff...am I actually endangering life and limb if I continue to use the TV until I can get it fixed? As long as I'm in the room when it's on? Do modern TVs (this one is about 5 years old) actually burst into flames very often? (It's plugged into a powerboard with one of those safety cutout buttons, I don't know if that makes it safer...)


Emlah - Jul 23, 2003 12:22:09 am PDT #5860 of 9843
To every idea a shelf...

What exactly happened when it conked out? We had a TV that would randomly fade to black and return to normal, for random amounts of time. We had another one that would cut to black every now and again, but some good ol' Aussie handy work (i.e. hitting it with anything handy) would usually make the picture come back. Niether of those ever blew up on us.

I love our most recent TV that works and is pretty.


Kassto - Jul 23, 2003 12:30:22 am PDT #5861 of 9843
`He combed his hair, Put on a shirt that his mother made, And he went on the air...'

Hey, you guys, I'm crying over here. And I can't stop.