We can come by between classes. Usually I use that time to copy over my class notes with a system of different colored pens. But it's been pointed out to me that that's, you know...insane.

Willow ,'Showtime'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Deena - Jul 19, 2003 10:34:39 pm PDT #5751 of 9843
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

Huh, now that might be one of my kinks... being stained with wine and plum sauce.


Angus G - Jul 19, 2003 10:44:11 pm PDT #5752 of 9843
Roguish Laird

If William had been heir to a baronetcy, he would have already been a baronet, since he lived with his widowed mother; and thus he would have been "Sir William."

When will people get it into their heads that William in "Fool for Love" is middle class?


Fiona - Jul 19, 2003 10:47:16 pm PDT #5753 of 9843

Well, they won't, because he wears a waistcoat and speaks with a British accent.

And we're all posh. You know that, right?


Susan W. - Jul 19, 2003 10:47:40 pm PDT #5754 of 9843
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

The fanfics I read with him as a baronet or similar were all written prior to S7, when his status was a little more up in the air, since we'd never seen him in his home environment. (Which was actually more wealthy than I'd thought--before then I'd had him pegged as the son of a country curate or doctor or something.)


Deena - Jul 19, 2003 10:49:20 pm PDT #5755 of 9843
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

Unless he was heir because he was the nearest male relative to an aging uncle or something. Still, it seems to me he was middle class, somewhat around Scrooge's level when he was an apprentice, maybe. Though, that wouldn't rule out him being the nearest male relative to an aging uncle. His father could have been a younger son who went into trade.


Angus G - Jul 19, 2003 10:54:44 pm PDT #5756 of 9843
Roguish Laird

Unless he was heir because he was the nearest male relative to an aging uncle or something.

Heh, OK, good point. (Also, true enough, Susan, we're not aware that his mother is widowed until S7).

I think Fiona is pretty much on the money, though!


Deena - Jul 19, 2003 11:02:10 pm PDT #5757 of 9843
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

Oh, definitely. All Brits are the nearest heir to someone with a title, and all Aussies ride about in the outback on horses or 4-wheelers (depending on what movies you've watched) and hate 'roos and drink too much and refuse to give up their plum pudding because it's traditional. Australia has no cities except that big one where the Opera house looms over the ocean, and England is all London, except for the pretty bits in the Lake District. New Zealand has no cities at all, and is all wild, green sheep country, except for the parts where the Maori live. I don't believe there are sheep there. Ireland is all misty and sheep-filled and Scotland is all craggy mountain and deep lake.

I think that pretty much sums up what I've learned about my world from popular books and movies. (Don't even try to tell me there are other parts I missed.)


Trudy Booth - Jul 19, 2003 11:03:03 pm PDT #5758 of 9843
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

What about the whole "impoverished gentry" dealy-o? Or couldn't he have an older half brother who got the goods and he was left with nothing? (Hey, I've seen Sense & Sensibility).


Elena - Jul 19, 2003 11:05:32 pm PDT #5759 of 9843
Thanks for all the fish.

Hobbits live in NZ, don't forget that.

William had never been shown to have a profession, so there must have been some money somewhere. Not enough for him to have proper clothes for a party, but what can you do?


Deena - Jul 19, 2003 11:08:12 pm PDT #5760 of 9843
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

The fact that, at his age, he didn't work, could mean moderately impoverished gentry, or could mean jumped up middle class with doting mother.

I'd forgotten the hobbits. Sorry.