Gunn: The final score can't be rigged. I don't care how many players you grease, that last shot always comes up a question mark. But here's the thing. You never know when you're taking it. It could be when you're duking it out with the Legion of Doom, or just crossing the street deciding where to have brunch. So you just treat it like it was up to you—the world in balance—'cause you never know when it is.

'Underneath'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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billytea - Jun 16, 2003 5:56:30 am PDT #5104 of 9843
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Well sure, but this could be the Mutant Enemy mission statement.

Hell, it describes the bulk of the Bible.


Leigh - Jun 16, 2003 6:26:51 am PDT #5105 of 9843
Nobody

Well sure, but this could be the Mutant Enemy mission statement.

Yeah, but I think the key difference for me is the part where ME characters are likeable, and thus watching them suffer should be sad, or something. Okay, I lie, it's television and Angel suffers real pretty, so 'sad' isn't the word, but Willow suffering makes me cry like a little girl.


meara - Jun 16, 2003 6:27:23 am PDT #5106 of 9843

But you have the powerful military! And the obsession with family values! And the mad emperor trying to make his horse a senator, I tell you it all fits!

OH dear god! We are!!

And count me as another puzzled non-lover of 6FU. For some reason I keep watching it, hoping I'll like it more, but...it just doesn't move me. I can't explain why, but I do love Lauren Ambrose, so...

Though having watched it did make seeing Sports Night on DVD really weird--I kept thinking of Peter Krause as just waiting to break out into Nate-ness, and he wouldn't!


Tom Scola - Jun 16, 2003 6:38:06 am PDT #5107 of 9843
Where do you come from? Where do you go? What is your scene, baby? We just gotta know.

Okay, I lie, it's television and Angel suffers real pretty, so 'sad' isn't the word,

Well there's torture, and then there's torture. If the characters in 6FU wore leather and chains, I probably would enjoy it a whole lot more. It's just that their suffering seems so pointless.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 16, 2003 6:49:37 am PDT #5108 of 9843
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

They're all rather passive; stuff keeps happening to the characters, rather than the characters causing stuff to happen.

This part, not so much.

Are you referring to Mutant Enemy, or SFU? I gave up on SFU pretty early on, it may have got better in this regard.

Sorry it wasn't clearer but I meant ME - their characters aren't passive.

And I can definitely see that take about most of the 6FU characters. I can't quite articulate why I do like 6FU, but Trudy's comment on hyper-reality probably comes closest. Granted I find, say, Wes Anderson's version of hyper-reality quite a bit more interesting, but I also can't get a weekly dose of Wes Anderson (or at least new Wes Anderson), and I find 6FU compelling for the same reasons I enjoy The Royal Tennenbaums. I don't think it's anywhere as good, but while I may not like many of the characters much on 6FU, I really like all the actors.


Trudy Booth - Jun 16, 2003 6:52:01 am PDT #5109 of 9843
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I find 6FU compelling for the same reasons I enjoy The Royal Tennenbaums

YES! It is precisely that!

I love it when an author creates a little world and sucks me in. When it's an odd little world I love it even more.


§ ita § - Jun 16, 2003 6:52:39 am PDT #5110 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I've tried to like 6'U, but I keep forgetting to watch it again, which doesn't speak well for it. I mean, I can remember to watch Mutant X two weeks in a row. Hell, I have TiVo, and I still never manage to do it.


Sue - Jun 16, 2003 7:04:03 am PDT #5111 of 9843
hip deep in pie

Plei, did you know about Escape From the Newsroom? It was pretty uneven, but still had some brilliant moments.


P.M. Marc - Jun 16, 2003 7:05:28 am PDT #5112 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Sue, I'd heard of it. Do you know if it's available for rental or purchase?


Jon B. - Jun 16, 2003 7:18:20 am PDT #5113 of 9843
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I do love Lauren Ambrose

Yes! She is a bright spot on an otherwise (for me) dull show. And let me take this opportunity to recommend "Swimming", a wonderful indie film she starred in a couple of years ago. Unfortunately, it's gotten minimal distribution.

I find 6FU compelling for the same reasons I enjoy The Royal Tennenbaums

Hmmm... interesting. I love Wes Anderson's stuff, but I wonder if he would also irritate me if his little world was on display every week instead of just for 2 hours.