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All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Angus G - Sep 18, 2002 8:11:09 am PDT #45 of 9843
Roguish Laird

That's all very well, billytea, but...

Nothing, really. I've just always wanted to start a post with "That's all very well." Although I would just say that the entire emotional drift of the Narnia series, up to but not including The Magician's Nephew and The Last Battle (the final two books Lewis wrote, IIRC), is basically pagan despite the allegedly "Christian" allegorical bits, and to have that horrid Christian Platonism tacked on at the end just feels like a betrayal to me.


billytea - Sep 18, 2002 8:37:33 am PDT #46 of 9843
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Nothing, really. I've just always wanted to start a post with "That's all very well." Although I would just say that the entire emotional drift of the Narnia series, up to but not including The Magician's Nephew and The Last Battle (the final two books Lewis wrote, IIRC), is basically pagan despite the allegedly "Christian" allegorical bits, and to have that horrid Christian Platonism tacked on at the end just feels like a betrayal to me.

Yeah, I prefer pagan Platonism myself.

And you're right, the last book did rather change the flow of the series. Not in a good way. I was particularly irritated by the treatment of Susan, was it? Rather condescending.


brenda m - Sep 18, 2002 8:38:04 am PDT #47 of 9843
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

to have that horrid Christian Platonism tacked on at the end just feels like a betrayal to me.

Angus speaks for me. Honestly, not to make too much of it, I'd say that between the conclusion to the Narnia series and some of his other books ( Mere Christianity , for one) Lewis was instrumental in my gradual detatchment from Christianity.

[So there, C.S. Heh.]


Angus G - Sep 18, 2002 8:41:07 am PDT #48 of 9843
Roguish Laird

I was particularly irritated by the treatment of Susan, was it? Rather condescending.

Oh, rather! (As Peter might say.) "She's interested in nothing nowadays except nylons and lipstick and invitations." That's the exact quote--I still have the book here from doing my tagline!


billytea - Sep 18, 2002 8:46:22 am PDT #49 of 9843
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

OTOH, I loved Shadowlands. Though Anthony Hopkins has a lot to do with that.


DavidS - Sep 18, 2002 9:11:33 am PDT #50 of 9843
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

You better be careful. If JZ catches you ragging on C.S. Lewis she'll be in here toot sweet explaining how his philosophy changed over time becoming more open and inclusive. She's read every damn thing he ever wrote.

And you're right, the last book did rather change the flow of the series. Not in a good way. I was particularly irritated by the treatment of Susan, was it? Rather condescending.

Still, I had the same issues with the end of the Narnia series.


Nutty - Sep 18, 2002 9:16:23 am PDT #51 of 9843
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

The hell of it, for me, reading The Last Battle, was that the whoel rapture/end times thing didn't work as a plot element.

I was coming to the end -- I think I read it when I was 9 -- and then it was getting worse and worse for Our Heroes, and then suddenly it all turned into a Greatest Hits of Narnia album, with a psychedelic ending.

And I was like, This is how you get yourself out of a bad situation? Hope Aslan shows up and then have some strange hallucinations involving a door?

I also wasn't entirely clear that Peter and Lucy and Edmund ended up in Narnia at the end because they had died in our world. I realized that on re-read when I was 12 or so and felt even more cheated.


Betsy HP - Sep 18, 2002 10:15:30 am PDT #52 of 9843
If I only had a brain...

Yes, well, women with sexuality are eeeeevil. Only little girls and mothers are OK.

What? Me? CS Lewis issues? Just because I've read Mere Christianity and That Hideous Strength? In the latter of which it is revealed that birth control is a direct tool of Satan?


Rebecca Lizard - Sep 18, 2002 10:17:39 am PDT #53 of 9843
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

I planned to do that JZ-thing but I sort of gave up after The Screwtape Letters.


Raffles - Sep 18, 2002 11:17:30 am PDT #54 of 9843

Angus - nope - completely wrong!

I'll keep my tag for a little while but I don't mind being called Raffles - I am elsewhere.