Gar, sorry if my comment seemed aimed at you...I was actually responding much more to Ms Havisham's post linking Caroma and Zoe, but then I removed my reference to her post because I didn't want it to seem like I was targetting her specifically rather than what I see as a slight tendency around here to feel like people who irritate us or who exhibit "un-Buffista-like behaviour" (an expression we seem to now use without even a hint of self-mockery) have to be nagged at and more or less shamed into submission. It's a board-wide thing, not a one person thing. Anyway, long story short, I should have realised that by removing that one reference to a specific poster I'd end up sounding like I was chiding another specific poster, namely you, and that wasn't my intention, so sorry!

And I utterly agree with everything you just said.

t edit Now, Clive Owen, that is a lust object I can get behind. (As it were.)

Not while Plei, me, Ita*, and others are surrounding him you won't. Mitts off Angus!

(*Especially the warrior types with boxing gloves and swords)

moonlit is forgiven. I may have gotten sidetracked my own goodself. (Although I suspect his gun isn't as big as Clive Owen's :)

un-Buffista-like behaviour (an expression we seem to now use without even a hint of self-mockery)

Angus, perhaps the word you're looking for is "Inisipip"?

(Wha-a-a-a-a-at? I'm with Am-Chau on the really-want-it-to-be-a-word side of the linguistic fence)

Angus, perhaps the word you're looking for is "Inisipip"?

The lake isle of?

Where are Jim and Fiona when I need them? I'm pretty sure that no actual British people like him.

Um, sorry Angus. I liked the young Nigel Havers a lot. The older NH has acquired a certain lived-in quality which I personally don't think suits him. (I've nothing against lived-inness per se, but some men take it better than others).

Also a huge fan, at the time, of the Delderfield adaptations - I read the books too - of John Duttine, of the Day of the Triffids adaptation.... Man, you people have a way of digging up obscure media references from my past which I had completely forgotton about.

Well, what if you don't *want* to take it very seriously? There's a FIAWOL and FIJAGH split starting here that might get tricky. I just don't have the time and inclination to tell a lot about myself here.

Different issue, though, surely? (And thanks to Julie for asking about the acronyms, btw.) You aren't talking about discussions about fannish minutiae right now, so whether Fandom Is A Way Of Life or Fandom Is Just A Goddamn Hobby (or whatever) is irrelevant. This isn't a case of one bunch of people discussing the layers of meaning they perceive in the choice of Dawn's shoe colour and another person saying "Jeez, lighten up already! It's just TV!" Our conversation about the war and international politics has had nothing to do with Fandom one way or the other.

Which is fine, because Buffistas.org is a virtual Callahan's Crazy Crosstime Salloon that one only finds in the first place because of a shared enthusiasm for Jossian TV and a preference for grown up conversation & reasonable spelling.

I'm glad you've found the discussion of the war interesting. So have I. I don't see it as being related to my fannish interests in the slightest, nor would I take your views any less seriously just because we both enjoy a particular TV show. There are lots of bright and interesting people here whom I would certainly never have encountered were it not for a shared appreciation of ME. Having encountered them, it would be extraordinarily perverse to ignore all their other non-TV-related views, thoughts and experiences. I'm certainly not going to dismiss their thoughts on War, Literary Criticism, the best recipe for chocolate chip cookies or whatever just because I met them through liking Joss's TV shows. If I agree or disagree with their thoughts on War, Literary Criticism or the best recipe for chocolate chip cookies it will be because of what they say about the aforementioned and whether or not it seems sensible/reasonable/justified. I'm not going to assume that they just sit in a room watching Buffy all day every day and have no valuable input on anything but the show. That would be daft.

Incidentally there is a marker often used to identify jokes - funniness. Humor that lacks this can be very hard to spot.

Gee, really? Never knew that. Thanks for the enlightenment.

Of course I want to get the last word! That's only human. Who doesn't? I felt I've listened to other viewpoints a lot--but isn't it possible to listen and go through the same thought processes and come to a different conclusion than yours? People with the more radical philiosophies are responsible for winning people over, not the more mainstream ones, I always thought.

And now I have to go to work and won't be able to defend myself for 12 hours or so. Please bear that in mind.

FWIW, I join Angus in affirming that I want to see you here, Caroma!

Callahan's Crazy Crosstime Salloon

bouncing. With irrelevant (yes, I mean that) glee. Fay reads Spider!

Of course I want to get the last word! That's only human. Who doesn't?

Huh! This is something that never occurred to me as a goal of Buffista discussion. I like the way discussions ramble on and go off tangentially and so forth on this board - you end up learning lots of neat stuff (like about refridgerator compressors!) and about people's neat opinions, even if you disagree with them. I don't see even the political discussions here as people trying to convert others to their points of view, but rather to express their own points of view, in a valid, thoughtful, or occasionally blowing-off-steam kind of way. It's not like we're in a court of law and there's a jury to impress. We're more, um, intellectual, or pondery, or kinda shooting ideas around, maybe? Among friends. As I see it.