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'Beneath You'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

Discussion of episodes currently airing in Un-American locations (anything that's aired in Australia is fair game), as well as anything else the Un-Americans feel like talking about or we feel like asking them. Please use the show discussion threads for any current-season discussion.

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Hil R. - Apr 12, 2003 10:34:20 am PDT #3231 of 9843
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

There's been sort of a moratorium on discussing it among me and my friends. It's considered quite a gaffe to even bring it up in many circles in NYC, perhaps because of 9/11. And the people who do, on both sides, seem to want to talk only to people who already agree with them.

I don't think this is just in NYC. I've noticed it everywhere. It's a heated subject, and it can into an argument. Often, it's just more comfortable to let it lie.

t edit: I mean in real life, not here.


Kate P. - Apr 12, 2003 10:36:10 am PDT #3232 of 9843
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

It is OK to have a different point of view, yes?

Absolutely, and I never said it wasn't. It's just that you have a habit of posting things that are irrelevant to the conversation, which is frustrating in an in-depth conversation like the ones we seem to be having a lot of in this thread lately.


Zoe Ann - Apr 12, 2003 10:39:49 am PDT #3233 of 9843
Mathair & Athair beo.

That is not a fair allegation.
My posts are always relevent although often tangential and occaissionally pointed and on rare occaisions humerous. I do not write essays I just say what I think.


Dana - Apr 12, 2003 10:41:14 am PDT #3234 of 9843
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

My posts are always relevent

A lot of people would disagree with this, Zoe. You might want to stop by the Bureaucracy thread, since we're actually discussing it right now. I know several people have tried to get your attention about it, but the conversation is still on-going, and if you want to weigh in, this is the time.


Kate P. - Apr 12, 2003 10:41:44 am PDT #3235 of 9843
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

That is not a fair allegation.

Perhaps I should state, then, that it's just my opinion. Sorry if I have offended you.


Fay - Apr 12, 2003 10:43:16 am PDT #3236 of 9843
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

That is not a fair allegation. My posts are always relevent although often tangential and occaissionally pointed and on rare occaisions humerous.

Got to agree that your posts do often baffle me, and I'm still trying to fathom the context of the Star Wars one.


Monique - Apr 12, 2003 10:46:05 am PDT #3237 of 9843

Zoe, the Bureacracy conversation regarding you starts here. If I were you, I'd go look, but I realize we may handle such situations differently.


Zoe Ann - Apr 12, 2003 10:46:10 am PDT #3238 of 9843
Mathair & Athair beo.

It's OK. I know the points I make are sometimes oblique and I do usually try to clarify them. It takes me some time to do so.

Please bear with me. I am looking at Angel (and other shows too) as a form of modern philosophy and trying to tie together ideas without getting too serious about it all. There are fascinating discussions in this thread but it is also the UnAmerican thread. We could create a Politics thread I guess but the idea has, I believe, been vetoed many times.


Zoe Ann - Apr 12, 2003 10:47:20 am PDT #3239 of 9843
Mathair & Athair beo.

I'm still trying to fathom the context of the Star Wars one.

It was the passage about pre-emptive strikes which struck me when I read it. I thought it'd be interesting to highlight it in the context of the war in Iraq.


Laura - Apr 12, 2003 10:52:01 am PDT #3240 of 9843
Our wings are not tired.

There's been sort of a moratorium on discussing it among me and my friends.

I have found this the case IRL here too. A friend that I haven't seen in months stopped by to visit me yesterday and in the first few minutes he gently inquired as to my feelings on the war. His intention was to not ruin our visit if we were not of the same thinking.

Over the years I have routinely debated opposing views with friends without it harming our rapport. This particular war seems to be a topic that rational adults on opposite sides just can't discuss.