Gunn: Well, how horrible is this thing? Lorne: I haven't read the Book of Revelations lately, but if I was searching for adjectives, I'd probably start there.

'Hell Bound'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Fay - Mar 31, 2003 5:58:36 pm PST #2791 of 9843
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

MiniMeara....but it's not quite 1.30am yet, so I've got a few minutes before bedtime.

How to feel really, really ignorant:

Oh, boy. You so aren't kidding. Oh, the shame. Although at least I knew I was crap at Geography. But still - the shame.

Scott Hope is gay and now on Queer as Folk !!

wrod to the CwDP shoutoutiness. Nice touch, writer dudes!

Stereotype much. Hillbillies get satellite too.

Re: the Romanian example I cited - I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear there, Zoe. As Jim suggested , I didn't mean to imply that rural Americans didn't get satellite, or weren't aware of US culture. I appreciate that the description of peasant life may have sounded stereotypical and perhaps reductive, so I should explain that I cited the Romanian peasants (with scythes et al) because that's the only first-hand example I've had of seeing the weird juxtaposition of US television shows piped via satellite into a setting which was in most other respects medieval. (I'd been helping, albeit with more enthusiasm than skill, with the scything of grass a few minutes before, and was presented with milk fresh from the cow. And in the background there was A.L.F. chattering away, dubbed into Romanian. Odd.) But I'm well aware that this isn't the way all (or indeed most) Romanians live, and I apologise if I've given the impression that it is.

FayJay, you know people are using the phrase “United States of Europe” with a straight face now yes?

I hadn't heard this, I must confess.

The pressing need to do NOTHING AGAINST SADDAM. Monarchs / ultimate rulers / dictators NOT a new concept here

I can sympathise with this stance.

Oh, FayJay Re: European Union. The Queen of England is in a strong position here what with Germany being all dominaty.

I didn't really understand this, but I think maybe you're being tongue-in-cheek? Because I don't think - although I'm not an expert on EU politics by any means - that Germany's familial ties with the House of Hanover Windsor give us any real leverage with them.

Things got a little heated here, and I think perhaps it's partly because of misunderstandings. Again, and I realise this sounds obnoxious, Zoe, but I do find many of your posts opaque, and sometimes brusque. I get the impression that some others do as well, and perhaps that leads to frayed tempers on both sides. However, although I agreed with the bulk of Jim ET's post, I can quite appreciate that you'd feel that "In a pig's arse" was a combative response to your own post, and I can understand why your tone was modulated accordingly.

On the other hand, the administration's plan, says Marshall, is "to use U.S. military force, or the threat of it, to reform or topple virtually every regime in the region, from foes like Syria to friends like Egypt, on the theory that it is the undemocratic nature of these regimes that ultimately breeds terrorism."

Good God Almighty. Okay, this is scary. Might it not be a jolly good idea to take a look at all the countries in the world which have terrorist problems, before deciding that A+B=C? Because imperialistic restructuring of how a host of other countries works doesn't strike me as liable to be The Way Forwards in terms of rendering terrorism unappealing.

Seriously - I found Colin Powell's threats to Syria and Iran (on the TV) chilling. Right up there with that insert expletive of your choice gentleman who announced the commencement of war with "It's Hammer Time." Because there's nothing quite like having the people in charge of making decisions quoting 80s pop stars to make you feel like they're taking things seriously.


brenda m - Mar 31, 2003 5:58:49 pm PST #2792 of 9843
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

For me the African ones weren't that bad, but the 'stans and a few others I had switched around.


brenda m - Mar 31, 2003 6:02:53 pm PST #2793 of 9843
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Seriously - I found Colin Powell's threats to Syria and Iran (on the TV) chilling.

Oh god, yes. I think that was the point when I started to get really scared, rather than just (just!) heartsick.


Betsy HP - Mar 31, 2003 6:06:56 pm PST #2794 of 9843
If I only had a brain...

And now Syria have announced that if they have to be with us or against us, they're with Iraq. Nice work, Mr. Powell, sir!


Daisy Jane - Mar 31, 2003 6:08:24 pm PST #2795 of 9843
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I should maybe point out that that may not be the administration's actual plan, but is what Joshua Micah Marshall was writing about in Washington Monthly.


Betsy HP - Mar 31, 2003 6:08:25 pm PST #2796 of 9843
If I only had a brain...

Because I don't think - although I'm not an expert on EU politics by any means - that Germany's familial ties with the House of Hanover Windsor give us any real leverage with them.

Since the close blood ties between the German and British monarchies (the Kaiser was King Edward's nephew) didn't stop, or even slow, WWI, I think that's a safe bet.


P.M. Marc - Mar 31, 2003 6:10:54 pm PST #2797 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Since the close blood ties between the German and British monarchies (the Kaiser was King Edward's nephew) didn't stop, or even slow, WWI, I think that's a safe bet.

Also failed to save Nicholas II. FWIW.


Fay - Mar 31, 2003 6:13:10 pm PST #2798 of 9843
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

OTOH - and, really, this is totally OT, but it's just where my train of thought went - I am always utterly gobsmacked whenever I remember that Prince Phillip, he of the truly innovative approaches to diplomacy*, is Greek. Y'all can probably set me straight on this, actually - is the Greek Royal Family actually imported from somewhere else? Because as far as being sexy and Mediterranean looking - well, he ain't all that and the proverbial bag of chips.

* "Don't Stay In China Too Long, You'll Get Slitty Eyes" etc etc


Penny B. - Mar 31, 2003 6:18:23 pm PST #2799 of 9843
Nobody

Fay, have you ever heard Eddie Izzard on Prince Philip? Completely hilarious.

"Your problem is you're all bastards! . . . Well, that went well didn't you think? What do you mean? Which part?"


Sean K - Mar 31, 2003 6:27:35 pm PST #2800 of 9843
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

How to feel really, really ignorant:

I filled in most of the middle east, the north coast of Africa, and a couple of the -stans before I had to hunt and peck my way through the rest of it.

I am a big geography geek.