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All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

Discussion of episodes currently airing in Un-American locations (anything that's aired in Australia is fair game), as well as anything else the Un-Americans feel like talking about or we feel like asking them. Please use the show discussion threads for any current-season discussion.

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Susan W. - Mar 31, 2003 5:16:21 pm PST #2779 of 9843
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I started it once, loved it, but had to take it back to the library unfinished because it was on hold for someone else. There's a prequel that's just come out, I think called Beneath a Silent Moon, which my library unfortunately isn't stocking yet.


Betsy HP - Mar 31, 2003 5:36:27 pm PST #2780 of 9843
If I only had a brain...

How to feel really, really ignorant:

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Allan Lang - Mar 31, 2003 5:37:52 pm PST #2781 of 9843
'And on that tragic day, an era came to its inevitable end.' That's all there is.

Historically sovereignty of a nation is bestowed upon and symbolically dwells within the person of the monarch -constitutional or not Zoe Finch "All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American" Mar 31, 2003 1:44:09 pm EST

Yea. but in the case of England the bestowal in the gift of parliament and people.

It could be revoked by them (John Locke's Second Treatise on Government)

and It had been been so from before time immemorial

The best English rulers understood this. The Stuarts with their Divine Right of Kings schtick didn't.

If one was so inclined (and I might be so) one could argue that The Glorious Revolution was restoring the Saxon Monarchy which had been usurped by the Frenchman William the Bastard from the recently elected king Eadgar Ætheling in 1066.

[topic?; uh "Well, maybe that's how they do things in *Britain*, they've got that royal family and all kinds of problems, but here at Sunnydale nobody leaves campus while school's in session. Are we clear?"]


Typo Boy - Mar 31, 2003 5:38:49 pm PST #2782 of 9843
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

FayJay - no I'm glad you clarified that; I actually had misunderstood you in the way you feared. I'm sure you were clear, and I simply did not understand you properly.


Katie M - Mar 31, 2003 5:40:18 pm PST #2783 of 9843
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

How to feel really, really ignorant:

Well, I only exchanged Mali and Niger, but I have to confess I guessed wildly on all of the -stans and on which one was Armenia and which one Azerbaijan. So, pretty good.


Daisy Jane - Mar 31, 2003 5:42:45 pm PST #2784 of 9843
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I realise that we've stirred up a hornet's nest and I don't know whether bringing troops back would worsen matters.

William Raspberry had a column today about when to end the debate on the war. He quotes someone who has an interesting view on the "Hornets nest."

Marshall's piece disturbs in a quite different way. His thesis, in a nutshell, is that far from ignoring the things some of us fear will result from our venture in Iraq -- radicalization of the Arab world, new waves of terrorism, transformation of the conflict into a species of religious warfare -- the administration's hawks are actually counting on such an outcome.

"In their view," he writes, "invasion of Iraq was not merely, or even primarily, about getting rid of Saddam Hussein. Nor was it really about weapons of mass destruction, though their elimination [would be] an important benefit. Rather, the administration sees the invasion as only the first move in a wider effort to reorder the power structure of the entire Middle East."

Not because they are hopelessly monomaniacal but because they see it as essential to an effective war on terrorism.

He then goes on to talk about theories about the roots of terrorism and says that.

On the other hand, the administration's plan, says Marshall, is "to use U.S. military force, or the threat of it, to reform or topple virtually every regime in the region, from foes like Syria to friends like Egypt, on the theory that it is the undemocratic nature of these regimes that ultimately breeds terrorism."

He says that he thinks that this is probably dangerously wrong, but to stop debating it means that we are accepting a continuous incrimental resturcturing of the region through force.

He boils it down to this.

Marshall likens the strategy to whacking a hornet's nest in order to get the hornets out in the open and force a showdown. You can have a spirited debate over whether such a strategy ought to be supported.

"The problem," he says, "is that once it's just us and the hornets, we really won't have any choice."


Betsy HP - Mar 31, 2003 5:49:50 pm PST #2785 of 9843
If I only had a brain...

I embarrassed myself beyond belief. Africa? What Africa? Oh, you mean that entire continent full of countries which are not Egypt?


brenda m - Mar 31, 2003 5:51:35 pm PST #2786 of 9843
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Me too, Betsy. I am deeply ashamed.


Katie M - Mar 31, 2003 5:51:57 pm PST #2787 of 9843
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

I had an atlas phase when I was a kid. Some of it's stuck. (So really you can't blame me for the stans, because when I was a kid they were all part of the Big Red Blob.)


Daisy Jane - Mar 31, 2003 5:52:15 pm PST #2788 of 9843
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I did much better on Africa and the nearer countries. Out past Turkey I had no idea.