Overwhelming? How much more than whelming would that be exactly?

Anya ,'Touched'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Hil R. - Mar 28, 2003 9:43:44 pm PST #2576 of 9843
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

For my part I've seen more in the way of prejudice against Islam, and disconcerting Muslim=Fundamentalist=Terrorist=BrownPersonWithFunnyHat bigotry, but YBigotryMV. There's undoubtedly anti-Semitism out there, and that's a problem. There's shitloads of insidious anti-Arab sentiment out there, though, and it's reinforced in the media (film & TV especially).

Agreed on both counts. I have seen a whole lot of prejudice against Islam. (And against Sikhs, because it seems like a lot of people can't tell the difference.) It seems to have died down a bit lately, but it's definitely there. And while there is nowhere near as much overt anti-Semitism, it has seemed to be on the rise lately, and I've seen some stuff recently that's scared me.

(I very much don't equate pro-Palestinian sentiment with anti-Semitism, myself, but I trust you weren't doing that either.)

Depends on context and how it's expressed. (And, pro-Palestinian is really not a terribly useful term. I've heard people claim that they're pro-Palestinian, and then express almost exactly the same "what should happen" views that someone who self-identifies as pro-Israeli says.) But, I have seen plenty of anti-Israel protests step way over the line into anti-Semitism.


P.M. Marc - Mar 28, 2003 9:46:30 pm PST #2577 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Fay, I fucking love you.

Did you read This when it was in the Guardian? Because, yeah, this is pretty much dead-on for my part of the country.


Ms. Havisham - Mar 28, 2003 9:48:02 pm PST #2578 of 9843
And we will call it... "This Land."

I guess they don't realize we have no intention of taking over anything.

America's intention is, apparently, to jump in, smash things up and then sweep it under the carpet. We've done it before, we'll do it again, and... well, who's going to stop us?

How are Haiti and Somalia doing these days? I couldn't tell you.

I'm an all-or-nothing sort when it comes to foreign policy. Let's either go in and do it or stay home and ignore them. Going about things half-assed, creating martyrs and offending everybody, accomplishes nothing in the long run.


§ ita § - Mar 28, 2003 9:48:13 pm PST #2579 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Plei, you have an extra %22 trailing your URL, there.


P.M. Marc - Mar 28, 2003 9:52:50 pm PST #2580 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I left off the first "

Having spent the day making little modulets for pages, I am now no longer able to even make a decent href. Ah well.


Hil R. - Mar 28, 2003 10:17:07 pm PST #2581 of 9843
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Oh, and there are a bunch of people here protesting the war by camping out on the quad. I'm not entirely sure what they plan to accomplish, but they say they're not leaving until the war is over. They've been relatively considerate about moving the tents over to the edge of the quad when the center was needed for soccer games or concerts. A few days ago, they had a sign saying they were on a hunger strike, but that didn't even last a day.


Noumenon - Mar 28, 2003 10:47:08 pm PST #2582 of 9843
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti

I'm not asking whether you, educated, middle class American that you are, can see through the manipulations of advertisers and choose your clothing, food and household items based upon inherent value rather than intangibles and perceived cachet.

Sounds like the kind of attitude that's vulnerable to advertising for Evian instead of Coke. Good example of Haagen-Dazs. I thought it was all premium and imported, even though I wasn't consciously giving it extra status for being German or Danish or whatever.

I read an article that Arabs are boycotting Coca-Cola, and that it doesn't make any more sense than freedom fries because Coca-Cola employs local bottlers, and "Mecca-Cola" and others are made in Europe.


Fiona - Mar 29, 2003 2:04:22 am PST #2583 of 9843

I guess what annoys some Americans is that Europe made a choice and now seems mad that we didn't go the same way. After two wars of violence that Americans really can't comprehend, they decided to spend their money on social justice and a subsidized lifestyle-free health care, free college, cheap housing, etc.

I think a lot of people are overlooking the fact that France and Germany might be against war because they have experienced at first hand, in their not too distant past, what war can do. Also, most Americans are unaware of the fact that the German constitution forbid the German army from taking part in any war until very, very recently, something which the Allies stipulated after the last war. There are very sound historical reasons why the German military has been kept weak, and blaming the Germans for this alone is somewhat misplaced. The German army took part in action again for the first time since WW2 in the former Yugoslavia, and this was accompanied by a whole load of debate and soul-searching, something which other countries could do with a little of, perhaps.

The current generation of Germans are very aware of the historical meaning of their country's military capability and try to be sensitive to that. I find it ironic that the US are accusing them of cowardice or holding back.


Trudy Booth - Mar 29, 2003 3:21:55 am PST #2584 of 9843
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

If by "ironic" you mean "fucking ludicrous" I agree wholeheartedly.


Angus G - Mar 29, 2003 4:42:36 am PST #2585 of 9843
Roguish Laird

Caroma, it seems to have slipped your mind that there are two countries fighting alongside the US in this war, both of which have publicly funded health care, higher education and housing. Given that fact, I'm not sure your equation of the welfare state with military spinelessness is entirely convincing; indeed, someone less even-tempered than me might even find it offensive.