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Question for Australian unAmericans.
An Australian acquaintence complained that Americans are too goddamn senstive to argue with - a few friendly insults and wander off in a huff "like an elderly maiden aunt". Now aside from the sexist metaphor, I can think of lots of criticisms that can be made of Americans. "Overly sensitive" does not strike me as a usual one. Have I missed an entire stereotype?
Gar, it depends on the topic. Every nationality has their sensitivities, and I've never found Americans as a whole particularly stoic about ignoring slights.
OK-- we really need pictures or I need to stop scanning. I've just confused 'Typo Boy' with 'Trudy Booth', and I am forever mixing up Ellen and Emily.
An Australian acquaintence complained that Americans are too goddamn senstive to argue with - a few friendly insults and wander off in a huff "like an elderly maiden aunt". Now aside from the sexist metaphor, I can think of lots of criticisms that can be made of Americans. "Overly sensitive" does not strike me as a usual one. Have I missed an entire stereotype?
I believe what they may be referring to is that (IME) Aussies tend to pepper their relationships with more ribbing, digs, putdowns and such like. The 'it's a joke, Joyce' factor doesn't always translate well. (I do know of Aussies who've come to the US and got in trouble with that.)
Re: sensitivities - in the UK, taking the piss is pretty much a national passtime, but in Australia I think it's maybe even more so. So maybe that's part of it?
Re: sensitivities - in the UK, taking the piss is pretty much a national passtime, but in Australia I think it's maybe even more so. So maybe that's part of it?
Ah, that's the phrase. Yep, taking the piss is something of a national pastime, certainly more so than here.
Edit: and now I'm recalling the survey of national humour preferences that did the rounds last year, and also my own observation that American remakes of British sitcoms don't generally do well. The survey said that humour which relied on, basically, laughing at someone (due to foolishness, gullibility, moral turpitude or whatever) tends to be more popular than in Britain and Australia. Now, I think that needs some qualification. On Coupling, for instance, characters like Jeff certainly invite a great deal of the point-and-laugh. But (IMO), such characters also evoke greater sympathy than corresponding characters on American sitcoms.
I think this greater tendency to take the piss in normal relationships accounts for a lot of this. Ridicule can obscure a person's basic humanity; British sitcoms (good ones, anyway) are better at sidestepping this, because there's more of a tradition of doing so good-naturedly. (Paradoxically, this allows them to be more savage too at times.) But when you have a US remake, this gets lost, and all you have is a show based on ridiculing some sad bastards. And they already have reality shows for that.
Ok, I learned something new.
Oh, BTW - if I use heavy handed sarcasm, am I taking the piss? Or does the phrase only apply to a lighter touch?
Oh, BTW - if I use heavy handed sarcasm, am I taking the piss? Or does the phrase only apply to a lighter touch?
A skilful touch is always a good thing. But heavy-handed can still be taking the piss. Context is important, as are intent and the nature of your relationship with the other person. (Obviously, the better the friendship, the greater the allowable piss-taking.)
You can probably date a lot of this (in Australia at least) to its convict origins. The virtues of a convict existence tend to be egalitarianism, mateship and a refusal to bow to authority. So in the Australian psyche there grew a strong sense of 'Jack's as good as his master'. This meant that should anyone be seen as giving themselves airs, a quick putdown, to level the playing field as it were, would not be far behind.
I forgot to mention that the other day I was reading an Archives text written by Austrailians and they mentioned how being descended from the convict set is now fashionable in some circles. They were discussing in in the context of records appraisal, and how one cannot always determine the future value of records to society.