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You got all kinds of learnin' and you made me look the fool without tryin', and yet here I am with a gun to your head. That's 'cause I got people with me. People who trust each other, who do for each other, and ain't always lookin' for the advantage.
Mal ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'
All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American
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§ ita § - Feb 04, 2003 10:52:02 pm PST #1774 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Trudy Booth - Feb 04, 2003 10:54:58 pm PST #1775 of 9843
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
IIRC, old laws against animal, um, affection, had to do with fear of such relationships creating monsters.
Angus G - Feb 04, 2003 10:57:48 pm PST #1776 of 9843
Roguish Laird
Or maybe it's like laws against homosexuality: they're afraid that people will like it so much that the human species will die out.
UTTAD - Feb 05, 2003 4:39:08 am PST #1777 of 9843
Strawberry disappointment.
Actually Charles Edward Stuart had a fairly strong claim to the throne. And came very close to succeeding. He actually had the residents of London in a panic because he was just days away, but took bad advice and turned back. A decision that ultimately led to Culloden.
And Culloden was not Scotland against England. It was more Highland/Catholic versus Lowland/Presbyterian sensibilities than anything else. There were many Scots fighting on the side of Cumberland.
Angus G - Feb 05, 2003 4:43:33 am PST #1778 of 9843
Roguish Laird
Yes, the Gordons fought on both sides, so I have to be all sort of ambivalent about the Jacobite Rebellion.
evil jimi - Feb 05, 2003 5:05:11 am PST #1779 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.
Actually Charles Edward Stuart had a fairly strong claim to the throne. And came very close to succeeding. He actually had the residents of London in a panic because he was just days away, but took bad advice and turned back. A decision that ultimately led to Culloden.
nuh-uh ... Chuck got good advice but he chose to ignore that advice. He was a pompous, incompetent, selfish wanker who thought he knew better than the clan chieftans who answered the call. He may have had a good claim on the throne but he knew nothing about Scotland and had never even set foot on Scottish soil until he arrived to claim his "crown." If he'd listened to his generals, Culloden never would've happened and the history of Scotland, England and the rest of the world, would be radically different.
And Culloden was not Scotland against England. It was more Highland/Catholic versus Lowland/Presbyterian sensibilities than anything else. There were many Scots fighting on the side of Cumberland.
I agree to a certain extent, except that I believe the Jacobite uprising was about Scotland against England. The Scots who fought on the side of England were following their Lairds, who were more English than Scottish. Religion certainly played an integral part (gee, what a surprise, huh?) but ultimately it was all about one country wanting to maintain their control over another country.
Not that I'm an expert or anything.
evil jimi - Feb 05, 2003 5:06:04 am PST #1780 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.
Yes, the Gordons fought on both sides, so I have to be all sort of ambivalent about the Jacobite Rebellion.
yeah, shame on you. *ducking*
evil jimi - Feb 05, 2003 5:07:03 am PST #1781 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.
Just checked the TV section of my local rag and Buffy is listed for 10:30PM next Tuesday, while Angel is listed for 10:30PM next Wednesday. Woo and Hoo!
Angus G - Feb 05, 2003 5:12:16 am PST #1782 of 9843
Roguish Laird
Excellent news.
UTTAD - Feb 05, 2003 5:30:57 am PST #1783 of 9843
Strawberry disappointment.
evil jimi: His main advisors were Lord George Murray and John William O'Sullivan. O'Sullivan was an Irishman and a favourite of the Prince, and to be honest a bit crap. Unfortunately it was his advice the Prince took. As for setting foot in Scotland, that's not an issue as to his claim on the throne. He was the grandson of James VII and II. George II's line went through James VI daughter.
And you could also say that about any moment in History. When Mr and Mrs Cromwell got frisky one night, I don't think they thought it would ultimately lead to Charles I getting his head lopped off.
And you can't think of Scotland and England of 1746 in today's terms. The split wasn't Scotland/England it was Highland/Lowland. An old dying way of life compaired to the new expanding one. A lot of the landowners had lands in both countries. Old loyalities and grudges between clans could decide whose side they fought on as much as anything else. But as usual religion was right in there in the mix. That's why the Stuarts lost the throne in the first place.