I get confused. I remember everything. I remember too much, and... some of it's made up, and... some of it can't be quantified, and... there's secrets.

River ,'Safe'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Angus G - Feb 03, 2003 9:40:14 pm PST #1712 of 9843
Roguish Laird

True. And in Australia, convict ancestry is considered not only interesting, but socially prestigious.


billytea - Feb 03, 2003 9:46:48 pm PST #1713 of 9843
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Tracing relatives back to the old country isn't exactly something that'd be encouraged among my people. The majority who went to the US did so because they had to, several escaping jail sentences or executions, and name changes were frequent. So whenever some tells some story about their great-grandfather being murdered in Ireland, I have to wonder if it was my great-grandfather who did it. And it odds a macabre sense to the phrase "Luck of the Irish."

The story I love - this may surprise some of you, but many of Australia's colonists from the old country weren't entirely voluntary travellers. For much of our history, this convict origin deal was regarded a bit shamefully. But then we got over it about the time we decided it was all the fault of the bloody Poms anyway, and seriously, who sends someone halfway around the world over a loaf of bread? Many of them were political prisoners too, sent from Ireland for various seditious activities, freedom fighters really. (In many ways, Australia's Irish heritage looms larger in the popular psyche than the English.) And whose insane idea of punishment is to send them from England to Australia? So, too bloody right and all that. It became a badge of honour to have a convict for an ancestor, especially around the Bicentennial of the arrival of the First Fleet, in 1988. So there was this one woman I heard about, who after coming to terms with this whole reclaiming the nation's past, did some delving and discovered - joy! - that she was indeed descended from a convict, who (IIRC) had arrived on the First Fleet no less! Virtual Australian aristocracy. Being excited about this, she would tell anyone who listened about her illustrious predecessor.

Until one day, when she suddenly went mysteriously silent about it. Subsequent questioning finally revealed the reason: she'd dug just that little bit further, and discovered just why her great-great-great-whatever had been forced from Merrye England's hallowed shores.

He'd been convicted of molesting a sheep.

I know what you're thinking: well then, why didn't they send him to New Zealand? Alas, the ways of British justice are at times unfathomable. And anyway, NZ wasn't taking convicts yet, as the Maoris still imagined they had some say in the whole matter. So for this historical accident, an Australian he became.


Madrigal Costello - Feb 03, 2003 9:54:25 pm PST #1714 of 9843
It's a remora, dimwit.

It's odd when stories about ancestors being multiple murderers is told the same way most families talk about how their ancestors were the first to move to Peshtigo after the fire. I went to school with the great-nephew of Bugsy Siegel (his part of the family made their money from white collar crime) and he'd talk about his Uncle Ben as if protection rackets and bootlegging were just some wacky old-fashioned hobbies like flagpole sitting.

So in Australia, having proof that a relative was a convict is the equivalent of those people who trace back to the Mayflower - I'm just having all these great images of DAR matrons proudly describing the exploits of their ancestors who were transported for prostitution and theft.


billytea - Feb 03, 2003 9:58:54 pm PST #1715 of 9843
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

So in Australia, having proof that a relative was a convict is the equivalent of those people who trace back to the Mayflower - I'm just having all these great images of DAR matrons proudly describing the exploits of their ancestors who were transported for prostitution and theft.

Yep. It does help that most of them were transported for relatively minor offences (or, as noted, for fighting against English rule in Ireland). But you do occasionally find a doozy.


Madrigal Costello - Feb 03, 2003 10:01:30 pm PST #1716 of 9843
It's a remora, dimwit.

Well, due to the American method of teaching history, much of what I learned about transportation of criminals began with "Moll Flanders", so it leads to picturing ships full of Diana Riggs and Alex Kingstons being sent off with David Attenborough narrating.


DavidS - Feb 04, 2003 12:04:29 am PST #1717 of 9843
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Devil Hunter Yoko is pretty similar to BtVS in basic set up. But, as noted, there's a whole genre of supernatural high school stories.


Jim - Feb 04, 2003 4:12:58 am PST #1718 of 9843
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

Billytea - as Robert Hughes pointed out, more people were transported for sheep-buggery than for nationalism and trade unionism combined.


evil jimi - Feb 04, 2003 7:36:09 am PST #1719 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

Brings a whole new meaning to a nation built on the sheep's back.

Can I get an ewww?

pardon


Am-Chau Yarkona - Feb 04, 2003 7:51:05 am PST #1720 of 9843
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

I don't wish to clog up my RAM with that kind of talk.

t looks sheepish Sorry.

t tries to resist 'oh dog, I can't stop'


evil jimi - Feb 04, 2003 7:57:06 am PST #1721 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

Stop trying to lambpoon us.