Cordelia: I get it now. You're all spies. Probably all Russian. And you've brainwashed me, and want me to believe we're friends so I'll spill the beans about some nano-technology thingy that you want. Gunn: So I look Russian to you? Cordelia: Black Russian. Angel: That's a drink.

'Hell Bound'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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§ ita § - Sep 24, 2002 7:25:32 pm PDT #159 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

`"Will you walk a little faster?" said a whiting to a snail.
"There's a porpoise close behind us, and he's treading on my tail.
See how eagerly the lobsters and the turtles all advance!
They are waiting on the shingle--will you come and join the dance?

`I can tell you more than that, if you like,' said the Gryphon. `Do you know why it's called a whiting?'

`I never thought about it,' said Alice. `Why?'

`It does the boots and shoes.' the Gryphon replied very solemnly.

Alice was thoroughly puzzled. `Does the boots and shoes!' she repeated in a wondering tone.

`Why, what are your shoes done with?' said the Gryphon. `I mean, what makes them so shiny?'

Alice looked down at them, and considered a little before she gave her answer. `They're done with blacking, I believe.'

`Boots and shoes under the sea,' the Gryphon went on in a deep voice, `are done with a whiting. Now you know.'


Fiona - Sep 25, 2002 8:24:10 am PDT #160 of 9843

So, how was Buffy, how was Buffy?!

t bouncing up and down excitedly.


Theodosia - Sep 25, 2002 8:32:57 am PDT #161 of 9843
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Fiona, certainly the group I was with was well-satisfied by the episode, and were greatly hopeful about the season to come. There were also some very neat surprises in this show that it is indeed better to not be spoiled about. (Thanks to every Spoiler Whore on this board for their forebearance in dropping hints and guarding against outright blurting-out!)


Angus G - Sep 25, 2002 8:33:57 am PDT #162 of 9843
Roguish Laird

I find myself hoping that (a) Season 7 really is the final season; and (b) the show goes out on a high.


Fiona - Sep 25, 2002 8:37:42 am PDT #163 of 9843

I agree, Angus. 7 seasons does seem to be something like a healthy lifespan for most shows. It'd be awful for Buffy to go the Friends/ER/insert-your-show-here route and become a shadow of its former self.

Thanks, Connie! I'm looking forward to it even more now! (And - unspoiled so far, touch wood).


Theodosia - Sep 25, 2002 8:38:33 am PDT #164 of 9843
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I'm of mixed feelings, because I'm personally still enjoying the show and it's hard to say bye to that... but I've seen enough shows continue far beyond their period of creative innovation, and also I think 7 years is about as long as you should reasonably ask an actor to continue in a role OR have to work the insano hours that a weekly TV series entails.

Ideally, I'd love to see some sort of successor series set in the same universe, for which surviving cast members can occasionally show up for well-paid and fun guest appearances.


DXMachina - Sep 25, 2002 8:43:10 am PDT #165 of 9843
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Ideally, I'd love to see some sort of successor series set in the same universe, for which surviving cast members can occasionally show up for well-paid and fun guest appearances.

Deep Hellmouth Nine?


meara - Sep 25, 2002 8:51:17 am PDT #166 of 9843

I'd love to see some sort of successor series set in the same universe

Like, um....Angel?


Angus G - Sep 25, 2002 8:54:33 am PDT #167 of 9843
Roguish Laird

Well, Angel shows that the Jossverse is strong enough for a spinoff to work. It also shows, for me, how to make a good spinoff: by being different. Angel works, when it works, because it's not "Buffy Goes to Hollywood".


evil jimi - Sep 25, 2002 9:33:19 am PDT #168 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

Whiting is probably a regional name for a particular fish as yet determined.

King George Whiting is caught in a number of places off the South Australian coast and is scrumptious. Not sure how many types of whiting there are but there's a few.