Well, if we followed the recipe...should be cake. A demon-violence-free-zone cake.

Lorne ,'Why We Fight'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

Discussion of episodes currently airing in Un-American locations (anything that's aired in Australia is fair game), as well as anything else the Un-Americans feel like talking about or we feel like asking them. Please use the show discussion threads for any current-season discussion.

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Susan W. - Feb 02, 2003 7:01:06 pm PST #1526 of 9843
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I second Typo Boy's rec on Highland Laddie Gone.


Betsy HP - Feb 02, 2003 7:01:18 pm PST #1527 of 9843
If I only had a brain...

I am the Garrison of Garrison (twelve times removed through the female line), and I decree that it's time to go read something.


bon bon - Feb 02, 2003 7:01:43 pm PST #1528 of 9843
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Not just theirs.

Ok, how about this? They now have the right to use it to sell food in countries where they have been given the trademark. That property right is theirs. They don't own the right to use it as a last name. Just to sell food.


§ ita § - Feb 02, 2003 7:01:52 pm PST #1529 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I guess I have a problem with a foreign company challenging the right of an actual McDonald highlander to use their clan name.

In Jamaica, we held Mickey D's from using the name for years. It's *not* a Scottish we-had-the-name-first thing at all. And it's not an our-family-is-so-powerful thing either, since a) irrelevant to corporate America and b) not true, as you admit.

Whoa. This is some thread drift.

I have no idea what my point was.


scrappy - Feb 02, 2003 7:02:56 pm PST #1530 of 9843
Nobody

Zoe-it's kind of like here in America when an actor joins the union. Each actor has to have a different name so there is no confusion (otherwise half the actors in the world would change their name to George Clooney). A friend went to join and his name, the name he had been known by for 21 years, was already taken, so he used a nickname and his father's name and came up with Jason Alexander. A week later another actor, actually named Jason Alexander (he is the son of a pretty well-known amercian actress named Jane Alexander) went in , but of course his name was already taken. It doesn't mean his name isn't a good and noble one, just that someone had prior legal claim to it for purposes of business. That's all trademarks are--they serve to avoid fraud.


Sophia Brooks - Feb 02, 2003 7:03:33 pm PST #1531 of 9843
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

OK

Say you started a cat -grooming business named Finch's. Which is your name. And you were doing well. And you trademarked the name "Finch's Cat Grooming". And someone moved in accross town. There name is also Finch. They, too start a cat grooming business. Your patrons who live nearer to that cat grooming business assume that you have opened up a new branch and go there instead. you are now losing business-- BUT because you have trademarked your name, you can ask them to change.

Now granted, sometimes name things are stupid (the Lexus people suing lexis-nexis, like anyone would get them confused.) But I am assuming this is where it all started. Also, this now has nothing to do with Buffy, and I will try to shut up.


Zoe Finch - Feb 02, 2003 7:03:42 pm PST #1532 of 9843
Gradh tu fhein

But the McDonald's restaurant was started by people named McDonald. They didn't just grab the name; it was theirs.

So they were called MacDonald, that doesn't give them exclusive rights to the name. Hell The MacDonalds of Skye could have withheld rights 100s of years ago for the sake of pride if it had ever occurred to them to be so petty -and the MacDonalds of Skye were GOOD at petty if it had swords and hacking people to bits involved.


§ ita § - Feb 02, 2003 7:03:47 pm PST #1533 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Not just theirs.

But is it less theirs for having been born in the US? Less Scottish, sure, but really the only way to prevent that sort of thing happening is to clamp down on emigration and make name changes illegal.


Hil R. - Feb 02, 2003 7:03:51 pm PST #1534 of 9843
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Not just theirs.

But they're not saying they have the right to the name as a name. They're saying they have the right to the name as a name of a fast food restaurant.


P.M. Marc - Feb 02, 2003 7:04:33 pm PST #1535 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

It doesn't mean his name isn't a good and noble one, just that someone had prior legal claim to it for purposes of business. That's all trademarks are--they serve to avoid fraud.

See: Jones, David. AKA David Bowie.