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Buffista Fic: It Could Be Plot Bunnies  

Where the Buffistas let their fanfic creative juices flow. May contain erotica.


deborah grabien - May 03, 2004 3:21:27 pm PDT #9107 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Creation of art, etc.

I'm satisfied being a very good storyteller, personally; there's something quite wonderful to me in the bardic tradition of "once upon a time", be it song or fiction or poetry. A story is a gorgeous thing to tell.


erikaj - May 03, 2004 3:28:59 pm PDT #9108 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Fic is a good way to keep in touch with it, so as I don't get lost in my own dialogue and metaphors.


deborah grabien - May 03, 2004 3:45:16 pm PDT #9109 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Fic's a wonderful way to keep in touch with it, because it keeps the writer honest. I can't suddenly make Buffy an expert on the Courts of Love, or make Xander a superb drummer - the canon imposes certain disciplines.


Gris - May 03, 2004 5:54:45 pm PDT #9110 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Hmmm. Does it matter that I never make any mention of what Tara is wearing when she leaves the apartment, or when she wakes up for that matter? Or is that something that's acceptable to leave to the audience to envision?

Also, I edited chapter 2, hopefully it's better now than it was. You didn't seem to have much to say about chapter 1, so I left it pretty much as it was before.


deborah grabien - May 03, 2004 10:14:23 pm PDT #9111 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Well, I didn't notice that you hadn't described it, and my brain supplied its own image. So, I think it's fine. Is her clothing necessary to the plot, does it advance the story? Mind you, it's perfectly fine to describe it if you'd like; the trick is avoiding describing too many things, and too deeply. There's that whole "trusting your readers" thing, and I do apply that to all writing, fic, original fiction or otherwise.

You may be too young to have ever seen the Beatles second movie, "Help!" There's a scene in there with Victor Spinetti and Roy Kinnear, who are trying to blow up Ringo to get the One True Ring (no, not that one - different One True Ring entirely). They're standing two feet apart, with walkie talkies, and have rigged up a bomb that looks like a curling stone. Kinnear is simultaneously carrying the bomb and reporting back to Spinetti, his boss, via walkie talkie - and the joke is that Spinetti is standing right there, exasperated.

Kinnear (crackle, sputter): "I am moving my right foot - over (sputter crackle) I am moving my left foot - over..."

I think of "every single action-object-thought is described minutely" writing as "I am moving my right foot" writing. It's something I try to avoid doing, and something I preach against strenuously.

Will go back and reread your edits in a bit, or, more realistically, in the morning - it's past midnight and we've only just got home. Kitten-tending in San Jose, and its 55 miles each way...


Gris - May 03, 2004 10:58:59 pm PDT #9112 of 10001
Hey. New board.

No problem, take your time. Also, the clothing is definitely not crucial to the plot. It's just that my imagination decided to supply her a hospital dressing gown to wake up in and a normal outfit to walk out the door in, then balked at the never changing clothes. Maybe, instead of having her walk out the door at the end of chapter 2 i can just have her look up the address and then say "now she knew where to go." End chapter. Giving her time to put on those pesky shoes, at least, before walking out.

ETA: I edited the end of chapter 2 to follow my own advice. It involved the removal of one fairly pointless descriptive sentence to make the story flow more logically. I love it when that happens.

Also, I posted chapter 3. It's short. My chapters are very short, I'll probably flesh most of them out eventually (or at least combine some of them). I'm just trying to set up the most crucial plot points (while remaining as true as possible to the characters, of course) before I try that.

Basically, right now I'm setting up chapter breaks as places where a commercial break COULD occur, if this were a television show. Because that's how my mind works with Buffy/Angel.

Now I should abed.


Lyra Jane - May 05, 2004 5:49:22 am PDT #9113 of 10001
Up with the sun

It's just that my imagination decided to supply her a hospital dressing gown to wake up in and a normal outfit to walk out the door in, then balked at the never changing clothes.

If you have it pictured in your head, you should write it. The stuff that's non-essential is the sort of Barbie doll writing some ficcers do -- "Buffy ran a brush through her long blonde hair and then stod before her closet, selecting black fishnet tights, a red plaid mini-kilt, a gray tank top and a black belted sweater with 3/4 sleeves. On her feet she wore knee-high boots." Saying she's wearing the hospital gown and pulls on a sweater and jeans would flow with the plot, and add a detail you feel is important.

And Deena, you have mail :-).


deborah grabien - May 05, 2004 7:03:00 am PDT #9114 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Nova, yep, Lyra's quite right. If the picture's in your head, write it; you can always edit if you feel it's too much or too little.

And that whole "Buffy ran a brush..." example? Perfect example of "I am moving my left foot" hyper-detailing.


Gris - May 05, 2004 9:50:12 pm PDT #9115 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Okay, thanks for the advice. I don't think I'm going to actually write it in this case, as I think my other method of resolving the logical issue is good, but I'll remember for future bits.

ION, I added a lot to Chapter 3. Now it's actually of reasonable length, and feels more like a chapter. Comments are welcome, especially on characterization - do Wesley and Cordelia feel like Wesley and Cordelia to you? And is Tara still working, now that she's talking?

Not that you can't suggest other things, but that's what I'm most curious about. Also, is the plot interesting you? Do you want to read more?


deborah grabien - May 05, 2004 10:04:46 pm PDT #9116 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

(surfacing from editing - see Great Write)

Nova, I got copy edits by Fed Ex today on second book in series and am nosedown. Deadline for return is the 14th (bastards). I definitely want to read more and will have more comments when the check of the copy edits to FFoSM are done.