And now my boy's in love. All hearts and flowers. But, doesn't it freak you out that she used to change your diapers? I mean, when you think about it, the first woman you boned is the closest thing you've ever had to a mother. Doing your mom and trying to kill your dad. Hm. There should be a play.

Angelus ,'Damage'


Buffista Fic: It Could Be Plot Bunnies  

Where the Buffistas let their fanfic creative juices flow. May contain erotica.


deborah grabien - Sep 25, 2003 2:25:20 pm PDT #6845 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

that's possible?

Oh yes. I start to break out when it's all talk and nothing else. Not that I don't love dialogue, because I do, but after a while, I want to be shown stuff. Even little things, such as Buffy hopping around on one high heel while screaming at her ghost roomie to give her back her Prada, damnit! is a visual. Paint me the picture, pretty or otherwise.

Nicole, I do have some comments on it; I wasn't sugarcoating when I said I loved the Wes and Cordy voices, and I like where the story seems to be heading (I'm all about the underbelly of dreamland). But there are a few things I think a lot of writers do when they're newish at it (I sure as hell did), whether fiction, fic or journalism.

Have a look for unneeded words - the characters rock, the story is sound, so why would it need padding? Small things, but they can overwhelm if not careful: why has Buffy had a lifespan (it's one word, BTW) and not a life? Since this is fic, dealing with an established character, does the reader really need to be told the colour of her ponytail?

BTW, I do this myself, which is one reason I will hand a WIP to anyone with a brain, and beg for the truth. Betsy kicked my ass for it at writers group last night, in fact. She told me there were a few places I was undercutting the power of a passage by overwhelming it with just the one word too many here and there. And she was dead right.

A personal credo, mine, belonging to me and only referring to me. Keep it simple.


Beverly - Sep 25, 2003 2:32:13 pm PDT #6846 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Deb is wise.

Nicole, I read it, but I'm refraining from comment at the moment because I'm in a weird headspace. I'll come back to it later. I'm not dismissing you.


sj - Sep 25, 2003 2:38:20 pm PDT #6847 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Affect. "A" for the action, "E" for the result.

Deb, I am bookmarking this, because I always get the two confused.


Nicole - Sep 25, 2003 2:56:40 pm PDT #6848 of 10001
I'm getting the pig!

I thought my love for buffistas was huge...yet it grows!

I think I fixed the Angel lines. Short sentences. To the point. Not 'splainy.

Have a look for unneeded words - the characters rock, the story is sound, so why would it need padding?

Ple tried to get this point across in the first beta she did for me and it didn't stick. Which is goofy since it makes so much sense and I can point it out when I read a book but not when I write the words myself. Thanks, Deborah.

Oh, fixed Prada passage also. That was something I never would have known. The Prada, she's expensive. The Nicole, she is cheap and owns one pair of heels.

I'm refraining from comment at the moment because I'm in a weird headspace.
Beverly, no rush. I can wait.


deborah grabien - Sep 25, 2003 3:11:01 pm PDT #6849 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

And Plei, she is wise.

Nicole, if it helps, this specifically:

Angel continued, now somewhat calmer, "Wesley was attempting to help in your absence. There was no reason to insult his efforts."

is the one that jarred me. The only way he'd use that level of formality is if he was being sarcastic. But you've just calmed him down, right there at the beginning of the speech.

Be Angel for just about ten seconds; put the coat on and say that line in his voice. Bet you can't do it. If you can, you're doing something I can't - I can hear him saying "Wes was TRYYYYYing....." But "attempting to help in your absence", I just can't wrap Angel around.


erikaj - Sep 25, 2003 3:13:03 pm PDT #6850 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Yeah, he'd just say "trying to help since you weren't here," probably.


deborah grabien - Sep 25, 2003 3:19:03 pm PDT #6851 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Voices for extant characters are tricky suckers, aren't they? My two trouble-children are Cordelia and Dru. Odd, because they're both intensely female. With Dru, it's just her kind of whack isn't my kind of whack, so there's little psychospiritual dribble-over. But Cordy - I can't write her properly. Whereas Roz Kaveney gives some sensational Cordy, you bet.

Giles, I can write in my sleep. I basically went to school with him, right down to the generation within a year or two, and his type is all over Oxford, so he's like the boy next door for me.

I do love a good, true Cordy voice.


Nicole - Sep 26, 2003 8:59:52 pm PDT #6852 of 10001
I'm getting the pig!

Beverly, no rush. I can wait.
Beverly, I just realized that what I said yesterday could be seen as dismissive and I'm hoping it wasn't read that way. I just meant that I had quite a bit of re-writes to do and the next portion of the story was on hold.

Very, very interested for any feedback you have.


erikaj - Sep 27, 2003 12:30:26 pm PDT #6853 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Another exciting weekend. But I've learned that I can't type something without changing it...I've revised some of the early scenes in my AU. Anybody want to see them? I think they are better.


Nicole - Sep 27, 2003 2:44:08 pm PDT #6854 of 10001
I'm getting the pig!

I would love to read anything you write, erika. I wouldn't be much help in the way of editing or suggestions but still...

Also, have you ever read Armistead Maupin's 'Maybe The Moon'? Your hard hitting yet humorous writing reminds me the way he wrote for his character Cadence.

If not, I have a copy that I would be happy to send you. Excellent book.