Joyce: Dawn, you be good. Xander: We will. Just gonna play with some matches, run with scissors, take candy from some guy, I don't know his name.

'Beneath You'


Buffista Fic: It Could Be Plot Bunnies  

Where the Buffistas let their fanfic creative juices flow. May contain erotica.


deborah grabien - Aug 30, 2003 7:30:53 pm PDT #6269 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Deena, I haven't edited a word. But yes, the clue was there; the fact that Ethan honestly can't remember any of what "Buffy" is claiming happened.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Aug 30, 2003 10:42:11 pm PDT #6270 of 10001
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

I absolutely LOVE the chemistry experiment exchange between Willow and Lex. That's really brilliant.

Thank you! It felt natural as I was writing it, so I had an idea it was good, but it's nice to have that confirmed. I'm thinking that they might get to bond over chemistry or computers at some later stage.


erikaj - Aug 31, 2003 8:17:39 am PDT #6271 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I need somebody with some pretty extensive knowledge of "Batman" comic canon to tell me something. How big of a secret was Batman's affair with Catwoman? A real secret? Or the Rock Hudson kind where everybody knows and nobody's talking. It's hard to explain but I need to know for my last scene. And don't be afraid to give me the full geek answer with an issue number and stuff, cause I think it's in character. Thanks.(the things I learn for fanfic.)


DCJensen - Aug 31, 2003 8:34:17 am PDT #6272 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Holy Whiligigs, Batman! The confusing world of Bat-Canon.


erikaj - Aug 31, 2003 8:37:26 am PDT #6273 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Thanks, Daniel. I'll look at it in a bit...it's still a little early for that right now. I love the hivemind though.


DCJensen - Aug 31, 2003 8:43:58 am PDT #6274 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

The important passages:

The Jeph Loeb/Tim Sale LONG HALLOWEEN/DARK VICTORY opus wasn't tied to mainstream continuity, allowing them the leeway to kill Year One-era characters (like Lieutenant Flass, who survived into the present in the core series' wedding of Jim Gordon and Sarah Essen) and portray a romantic relationship between Selina Kyle and Bruce Wayne that post-Crisis continuity had prohibited. The revised history had declared that Catwoman had never been captured and that Selina had never met Bruce or Alfred (BATMAN #499 and others). That said, the aforementioned Ed Brubaker has included the Bruce-Selina romance as canon, anyway (in places like BATMAN #600, CATWOMAN (current) #10 and CATWOMAN SECRET FILES #1).

That same issue of SECRET FILES also officially banished a Catwoman story (ACTION COMICS WEEKLY #s 611-614) that has long been regarded as non-canon. The episode had killed off Selina's pal, Holly (alive and well in the current series), but the detail that threw everyone into an uproar was a scene in which Catwoman threw two security guards from a skyscraper window to their deaths in order to frame Holly's killer for the murders. Even setting aside Catwoman's aversion to killing, the sequence didn't make a whole lot of sense.
Batman: Year One indicated that the pre-Catwoman Selina Kyle had been a prostitute, a development that seemed a bit too adult for a character still being marketed to children. Perhaps in acknowledgment of this, DC has shied away from that characterization since Zero Hour. 1994's CATWOMAN #0, for instance, established that the young Selina had become wealthy as a cat burglar and that the hooker persona had been a subsequent ruse to separate potential customers from their cash the moment they were alone.


erikaj - Aug 31, 2003 8:55:09 am PDT #6275 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

That's great...I made a note. But I also need a little bit of a primer or "Cliff's notes" or something, cause I haven't read a comic in fifteen years. (Y'all are gonna throw me a telethon now, right?) It doesn't seem possible.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Aug 31, 2003 9:51:15 am PDT #6276 of 10001
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

Good heavens. And I thought Firefly was a fandom with complex canon issues.


CaBil - Aug 31, 2003 10:12:33 am PDT #6277 of 10001
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

However, in the latest storyline in Batman, the 12 issue Hush, Batman and Catwoman finally admit they want to have a relationship, and Batman reveals that he is Bruce Wayne to her.

Of course, these events haven't been reflected in Catwoman's own title yet, which has her in a purely physical affair with Sam Spade, an older private investigator.

It other words Ericka, almost anything has been canon at one time or another. The most common default has been Batman and Catwoman in a flirtatious relationship, well Catwoman being flirtatious, Batman being stoic but giving Selena some rope...


erikaj - Aug 31, 2003 10:42:20 am PDT #6278 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

OK, thanks. A lot of effort to go to for one scene, but that's how much I love my audience. And yes, Am, wrod.