I discovered that Thunderbird didn't let me remove messages from the server on a message by message basis

Ding! This is why I love you guys. I'm never first at anything. I'll put off my exploration for now.

I just got the bee in my bonnet because I realised I'd sent out a job hunt email (from one of my gmail addresses) with my velvetedge signature. Not slick at all--the randomly selected quote was okay, but "Putting the 'freak' into 'control freak' since 1995" is not something I want out there.

Maybe that's why he hasn't called back.

Another reason I'd thought of it was because I recently installed Growl in order to get the Skype integration where it brings up a shaded box telling me who's just gone on or offline without taking the focus away from what I'm doing. More meaningful than a beep or a bouncing dock icon. Hey, look! My father just came online.

Anyway, I was looking to see what else it integrated with, and noticed that there were a bunch of OS X mail clients out there I hadn't heard of, which naturally leads me to Wolmer¹. And therefore ask around.

¹: To equivocate on decisions because of a fear that someone's having more fun somewhere else. Named after K Wolmer who could never commit to going out plans in case she didn't pick the funnest.

No option to import standard Mail data was bad enough, but it doesn't look like it's tied to OS X's address book.

It looks like this is a known issue and they're working on it. [link]

My guess is it'll be in Thunderbird 2.0.

I use Entourage (Outlook for Mac), but it's not free so that's a strike against it. I think it will allow you to delete messages from the server on an individual basis, but I don't have it in front of me right now.

Firstly, it doesn't let me remove messages from the server on a message by message basis (it has to be set for the whole account and happens when mail is checked).

I think if you uncheck the option to move deleted messages to the trash, Mail.app will work as you desire.

Thanks Rob. I'm trying that right now. It's a bit suboptimal if the message doesn't go into my local trash bin, since I do check it every now and again between cleanouts.

Hmm. Gave it about 5 minutes (rechecked mail a couple times too) and the message is still on the server. Eudora deletes it next time it goes to check. When would Mail do it?

Also--is the signature bug a known thing? If so, you wouldn't happen to be able to point me towards a workaround or something?

I think if you uncheck the option to move deleted messages to the trash, Mail.app will work as you desire.

I'm not sure, since I'm not sitting front of a Mac right now, but I think that only works with IMAP accounts, not POP.

I'm not sure, since I'm not sitting front of a Mac right now, but I think that only works with IMAP accounts, not POP.

Ooops, I was testing on IMAP.

Also--is the signature bug a known thing?

I did Google for the signature bug and didn't come up with anything.

In preferences under composing, what do you have "Send new mail from:" set to?

In preferences under composing, what do you have "Send new mail from:" set to?

The address with the sigs. But when I'm replying to mail sent to another account, it comes up with the right email address and has the Signature option showing nothing but "None" which is selected. When I reselect it, the primary account sig disappears.

I'm going to try putting a blank sig in and tie it to one of the other accounts and see if that stops things.

I'm not sure, since I'm not sitting front of a Mac right now, but I think that only works with IMAP accounts, not POP.

it does with IMAP, but it's features are more limited with POP. I've liked using the mail.app with gmail, but it's annoying having to go back and filter/sort/delete messages on the web. I tend to migrate back and forth between using it on mail and using it on the web.

I just don't get it. I've assigned that email account a simple signature, set Choose Signature to be Signature #34, the one I want, but when I reply to an email sent to it, although the identity is right, the Signature option says None, and I have a random sig from the other account. I can then choose Signature #34 and it cleans things up--no improvement at all.

I went and turned the main address signature option to None, and then there are no signatures for any of the other accounts unless chosen manually.

This is silly.

eta: it seems to pull new sigs from whatever account is selected to send new mail from, even when it's not sending mail from that account.