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§ ita § - Sep 11, 2013 9:37:53 am PDT #4673 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Children these days. They don't know the pain...

Of course, there is that New 52 mini series that DC decided not to finish...

I was just reading a UK Yahoo Who Would Win, Batman or Superman? article covering the movies and they say:

Batman is a hardened vigilante who will stop at nothing to do what he thinks is right. But poor Kal-El has been affected by the death of General Zod, perhaps vowing to never kill again.

Is that really what the movies left us with? Who did Nolan's Batman kill that I'm forgetting? I thought that incarnation was no-gun no-kill.


Polter-Cow - Sep 11, 2013 9:56:13 am PDT #4674 of 5059
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

He kind of killed Two-Face, didn't he? Or he took the blame. Because he is the night. I don't remember. But otherwise, yeah, he's as no-gun-no-kill as he should be.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 11, 2013 10:03:13 am PDT #4675 of 5059
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Didn't he also kinda sorta kill Ra's al Ghul? I admit the first film has gone kind of fuzzy on me.


§ ita § - Sep 11, 2013 10:04:35 am PDT #4676 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

He took the blame for 2Face as a plot point. If a Gotham journalist were writing the article, it would be one thing, but a meta discussion seems way off to call him "stop at nothing". Hasn't he been prominently no gun no kill in main continuities for a while now?

Ra's I need to look up.


§ ita § - Sep 11, 2013 10:05:53 am PDT #4677 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Wiki has spoken:

Batman confronts Ra's on the train and escapes just as Gordon uses the Tumbler to destroy the elevated tracks, leaving Ra's to die in the ensuing crash.


Steph L. - Sep 11, 2013 10:17:02 am PDT #4678 of 5059
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

the Tumbler

The internet has forever made me think "that's misspelled!"

Although Batman's Tumbler pre-dates Tumblr.


Polter-Cow - Sep 11, 2013 10:39:13 am PDT #4679 of 5059
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Ra's, that's the one! I knew there was one guy that he basically killed even though it wasn't directly. I think he even says, "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you."


§ ita § - Sep 11, 2013 11:41:58 am PDT #4680 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I see some flaws in that approach with Supes, though.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 11, 2013 12:36:21 pm PDT #4681 of 5059
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Admittedly, circumstances that just might happen to be lethal to a Kryptonian are probably a lot harder to stumble across without a lot of prep.


Strega - Sep 11, 2013 1:47:07 pm PDT #4682 of 5059

At the very least Nolan's Batman is comfortable with collateral damage. He must have killed people (including Watanabe, who he thought was Ra's at the time) when he blew up the League of Shadows. He cared about saving Liam Neeson, but not the prisoner he'd originally refused to execute, so what the hell, Bruce? In Dark Knight he wouldn't run down the Joker but he was okay with flipping the semi two minutes earlier. And in Rises he's firing machine guns from the Bat at the nuke truck. He definitely shoots the driver, and then he gets Talia to crash, which kills her.

I'm okay with most of these things (the LoS part is bananas) but I've had an ongoing argument with a friend about the Nolan movies and this is one of his issues.

Even Burton's Batman sent the Batmobile into an occupied warehouse to shoot up the joint. So yeah, movie Batman seems much more flexible about using lethal force.