He got fired from his best shot at a franchise which he could leverage into other movies. If he'd done what Singer had done for X-Men or Raimi for Spider-Man or Nolan for Batman he'd be a freakin' mini-mogul this decade.

Now he's gonna be writing comic books for a while.

Actually, there's an upside. Between this and Serenity's relative box office failure, he'll probably have to come back to TV - where I prefer him anyway.

You know, if he's not doing Wonder Woman, the dude needs to gett off his ass and do some friggin' thing (said respectfully, of course), because my world has been Joss-project-less for TOO FRIGGIN' LONG.

Well, he's been writing AXM and Runaways.

He got fired from his best shot at a franchise which he could leverage into other movies. If he'd done what Singer had done for X-Men or Raimi for Spider-Man or Nolan for Batman he'd be a freakin' mini-mogul this decade.

What do you think he did wrong that Singer/Raimi/Nolan did right?

Impossible to make an informed guess, but based on the motif of Joss' work in general maybe too much emphasis on feminist themes for studio heads that are very invested in putting teen male rears into seats via explosions and boobs? I suspect they were wanting something that would fit Jessica Alba type actresses and Joss was giving them something more akin to Elizabeth Cady Stanton in eagle insignia battle armor.

What do you think he did wrong that Singer/Raimi/Nolan did right?

I don't think he had a bead on it the way he personally had on X-Men or many other comics he grew up with.

Wonder Woman - despite her long history - didn't really come into focus as something other than an icon until George Perez's run on her in the 80s. (Not counting the Emma Peel inspired powerless time in the early 70s, which I always liked.)

I think most of the best WW comics came out in the nineties or later and unless he was going to adapt The Hiketeia then he didn't have anything to work off of. She's an icon, but her core mission was sort of muddy until the last fifteen years.

So he was creating her from scratch except he's really hemmed in on all sides. And the canon wasn't as deep as others (like Batman or Superman) so he couldn't cherry pick the continuity for the best stuff (like the Diniverse cartoons did).

Nowadays I think she's a great character. But Joss is always going to be a Marvel guy, I think.

I don't think he had a bead on it the way he personally had on X-Men or many other comics he grew up with.

I don't think anyone has a bead on her moviewise. She's not as easy a translation as the icons, or as the X-Men. She's going to be redone for the screen, and when you're starting nearly from scratch...well, was the studio even starting from the same scratch?

Joss isn't doing Wonder Woman.

Well...fuck.

that's all I've got.

Well, he's been writing AXM and Runaways.

And involved with Buffy season 8.

I'm not horribly disappointed; I'd much rather he concentrate on Goners. (Though of course he still may not.) I would, however, really like to see his script. Mainly because I want to know what he was planning to do with the silly invisible airplane and lasso of truth to make them not-silly.

George Perez did a pretty good job of presenting the Lasso of Truth in non-silly fashion.

As for the invisible plane? yeah, I got nothin'.

I was telling a friend that Joss was no longer on the WW project because of a difference of takes on the character. I told him I had no idea what Joss's unwanted take was, and he suggested "Lesbian?" so guilelessly I spat laughter.