I pulled out a dusty Depeche Mode cd for the plane ride home. Probably still good driving music, but ...wow. Teenage angst! Or at least the first half was. I sleptish through the second (not necessarily the music's fault. I tend to listen to music to zen out on plane flights. Distracts from the distractions and annoying people. And looking at my watch.)

Is it a lunchtime thing or a Duran Duran thing?

Well, it's rainy and I chose poorly for lunch, and the shuffle on my iPod was being all emo when suddenly Duran Duran popped up and I was trying not to chairdance. Now it seems to have caught on and is giving me David Bowie and Tool.

Oh, btw, the new episode of that thing has popped up. And I never asked if you got to see the other ep before Thanksgiving.

I did see it, and right now I'm scanning my flist for places to grab the new one.

I have achieved cat #2, and am eating lunch. Next up, laundry.

Must pay more attention. I thought this said

"I have achieved cat #2, and am eating laundry."

Interesting.

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"I have achieved cat #2, and am eating laundry."

Too much fiber.

I just don't think that's what they're (all) claiming (in all cases).

I've never read a single piece of ID propaganda that didn't boil down, at its core, to "This evolution stuff sounds really complicated. Maybe it was godaliens!" (Dembski in particular is brilliant at couching this in pseudoscientific language, but the man wouldn't recognize an actual biology text if it evolved teeth and bit him.)

I'm waiting for my religious faith to be, if not verified, then proven.

Other religious people I've talked about faith/science have been mostly unconcerned with proof, some saying it's beside the point, others saying the absence of proof is part of the point.

It all depends on the experience you're looking for/getting from your religion.

Pewter Octopus Wine Aerator, for the wine lover on your Cephalopodmas list!

I meant that in the sense of the afterlife, ita. Sorry. I should have been more specific. It was just supposed to be a cute rejoinder, not an expression of an earnest expectation.

I've never read a single piece of ID propaganda that didn't boil down, at its core, to "This evolution stuff sounds really complicated. Maybe it was godaliens!" (Dembski in particular is brilliant at couching this in pseudoscientific language, but the man wouldn't recognize an actual biology text if it evolved teeth and bit him.)

So much of what comes from either evolution supporters or ID supporters reads like propaganda to me, that they all lose me. Just curious, did you read Dembski's response to Orr?

I've never read a single piece of ID propaganda that didn't boil down, at its core, to "This evolution stuff sounds really complicated. Maybe it was godaliens!"

It's the "God in the Gaps" argument only made more scientific sounding. If there isn't a complete explanation for how X evolved, then a supernatural entity must have made it happen through some unknown mechanism. So you end up arguing that blood clotting couldn't have evolved and then a bunch of people come up with explanations. Okay, then you move on to something else like the eye and there are more explanations. Then you move on to bacterial flagellum (the timeline isn't correct, I'm just making an example) and people can explain it but you find an aspect that isn't fully explained. So forth and so on...