I have achieved cat #2, and am eating lunch. Next up, laundry.
Must pay more attention. I thought this said
"I have achieved cat #2, and am eating laundry."
Please...Wesley...why can't I stay?
Fred ,'A Hole in the World'
Natter 48 Contiguous States of Denial
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Megan E. - Nov 28, 2006 8:37:51 am PST #3401 of 10007
Scrappy - Nov 28, 2006 8:39:03 am PST #3402 of 10007
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
sarameg - Nov 28, 2006 8:41:20 am PST #3403 of 10007
"I have achieved cat #2, and am eating laundry."
Too much fiber.
Jessica - Nov 28, 2006 8:49:58 am PST #3404 of 10007
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I just don't think that's what they're (all) claiming (in all cases).
I've never read a single piece of ID propaganda that didn't boil down, at its core, to "This evolution stuff sounds really complicated. Maybe it was godaliens!" (Dembski in particular is brilliant at couching this in pseudoscientific language, but the man wouldn't recognize an actual biology text if it evolved teeth and bit him.)
§ ita § - Nov 28, 2006 8:51:54 am PST #3405 of 10007
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm waiting for my religious faith to be, if not verified, then proven.
Other religious people I've talked about faith/science have been mostly unconcerned with proof, some saying it's beside the point, others saying the absence of proof is part of the point.
It all depends on the experience you're looking for/getting from your religion.
Jessica - Nov 28, 2006 8:55:42 am PST #3406 of 10007
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
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Topic!Cindy - Nov 28, 2006 9:00:43 am PST #3407 of 10007
What is even happening?
I meant that in the sense of the afterlife, ita. Sorry. I should have been more specific. It was just supposed to be a cute rejoinder, not an expression of an earnest expectation.
I've never read a single piece of ID propaganda that didn't boil down, at its core, to "This evolution stuff sounds really complicated. Maybe it was godaliens!" (Dembski in particular is brilliant at couching this in pseudoscientific language, but the man wouldn't recognize an actual biology text if it evolved teeth and bit him.)
So much of what comes from either evolution supporters or ID supporters reads like propaganda to me, that they all lose me. Just curious, did you read Dembski's response to Orr?
Gudanov - Nov 28, 2006 9:10:31 am PST #3408 of 10007
Coding and Sleeping
I've never read a single piece of ID propaganda that didn't boil down, at its core, to "This evolution stuff sounds really complicated. Maybe it was godaliens!"
It's the "God in the Gaps" argument only made more scientific sounding. If there isn't a complete explanation for how X evolved, then a supernatural entity must have made it happen through some unknown mechanism. So you end up arguing that blood clotting couldn't have evolved and then a bunch of people come up with explanations. Okay, then you move on to something else like the eye and there are more explanations. Then you move on to bacterial flagellum (the timeline isn't correct, I'm just making an example) and people can explain it but you find an aspect that isn't fully explained. So forth and so on...
Connie Neil - Nov 28, 2006 9:16:36 am PST #3409 of 10007
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Sweet Jesus, I clicked on that link and thought, "That's the most frightening sex toy I've ever seen." I blame all of you, because I had a clean mind before I showed up here.
bon bon - Nov 28, 2006 9:18:44 am PST #3410 of 10007
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
Just curious, did you read Dembski's response to Orr?
I'm reading it now, and it makes me clench my fists. The objections are not sound. He's not a scientist. For example, the fact that you don't have every single organism that represents an example of the evolution of a trait is not at all damning, and to expect it is ridiculous.