Joffrey is just the absolute worst. Thank goodness for Tywin holding him back or Joffrey would be a menace the likes that the killer of kings needs to take out again.
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le nubian - Jun 09, 2013 9:36:30 pm PDT #5346 of 7329
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
Jessica - Jun 10, 2013 5:00:31 am PDT #5347 of 7329
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I'm beginning to think they're painting Joffrey as insane (true megolomaniac, I guess?) rather than Black Hat Evil.
The books make a huge deal out of Mad King Aerys being the product of many generations of Targaryen incest (and not the first time either), so yeah.
DebetEsse - Jun 10, 2013 11:23:12 am PDT #5348 of 7329
Woe to the fucking wicked.
When a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin, eh?
In many ways, I think you can see Dany as constitutionally "good" in that her concern is for her people first, second, and third. However, because this is the universe it is, that doesn't inherently make her the best ruler.
-t's comment makes me think that this will be another "Avet my eyes" ep when I get a chance to see it.
Sean K - Jun 10, 2013 11:49:03 am PDT #5349 of 7329
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
When you really sit down to delve into what produced him, it's actually possible to have some sympathy for Joffrey too.
Not, you know, a LOT.
DebetEsse - Jun 10, 2013 11:55:09 am PDT #5350 of 7329
Woe to the fucking wicked.
I...think I would need that case laid out. And, even then, I am unlikely to find it compelling.
le nubian - Jun 10, 2013 12:00:27 pm PDT #5351 of 7329
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
I am 100% with Debet. Ultimately I don't give a shit about fucked up circumstances if you are a violent abusive tyrant. Joffrey doesn't seem to care about other people. Does he? Anyone else?
I realize there are other sadists in GOT. The books seem to be filled with them.
§ ita § - Jun 10, 2013 12:00:56 pm PDT #5352 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Essos is a big continent. I'm sure she hasn't run out just yet.
Are they all explicitly brown in the books, or is this a PJ+Middle Earth extrapolation (I do hold Tolkien liable too, but death is ultimate evasion)?
Jessica - Jun 10, 2013 12:39:02 pm PDT #5353 of 7329
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Are they all explicitly brown in the books, or is this a PJ+Middle Earth extrapolation (I do hold Tolkien liable too, but death is ultimate evasion)?
They probably are, but I don't remember explicitly. (And wouldn't it be Tolkien/Middle Earth's fault anyway? What with Aragorn's pure noble Western blood giving him the moral right to overthrow all those evil men from The East?)
Amy - Jun 10, 2013 12:44:09 pm PDT #5354 of 7329
Because books.
When you really sit down to delve into what produced him, it's actually possible to have some sympathy for Joffrey too.
Yeah, I don't know. That's like having sympathy for every vampire, I think.
Plus, this is not a kid who was abused or neglected -- he was adored and spoiled and well-fed. No matter what's in his genes, he doesn't have a lot of experiential reason to be as horrible as he is.
§ ita § - Jun 10, 2013 4:14:08 pm PDT #5355 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
And wouldn't it be Tolkien/Middle Earth's fault anyway
I figured I covered that in:
I do hold Tolkien liable too
But that doesn't make PJ not complicit in having PoC's best shot at Middle Earth be under orc masks. As much as I have the hots for Lurtz, a family of darker-skinned hobbits wouldn't actually break the text. Not more than giving Arwen her action scene, for instance.
In Veep, didn't they call out the VP's mike on her person? Does that mean they caught everything she said even when they were trying for privacy?