I...think I would need that case laid out. And, even then, I am unlikely to find it compelling.

I am 100% with Debet. Ultimately I don't give a shit about fucked up circumstances if you are a violent abusive tyrant. Joffrey doesn't seem to care about other people. Does he? Anyone else?

I realize there are other sadists in GOT. The books seem to be filled with them.

Essos is a big continent. I'm sure she hasn't run out just yet.

Are they all explicitly brown in the books, or is this a PJ+Middle Earth extrapolation (I do hold Tolkien liable too, but death is ultimate evasion)?

Are they all explicitly brown in the books, or is this a PJ+Middle Earth extrapolation (I do hold Tolkien liable too, but death is ultimate evasion)?

They probably are, but I don't remember explicitly. (And wouldn't it be Tolkien/Middle Earth's fault anyway? What with Aragorn's pure noble Western blood giving him the moral right to overthrow all those evil men from The East?)

When you really sit down to delve into what produced him, it's actually possible to have some sympathy for Joffrey too.

Yeah, I don't know. That's like having sympathy for every vampire, I think.

Plus, this is not a kid who was abused or neglected -- he was adored and spoiled and well-fed. No matter what's in his genes, he doesn't have a lot of experiential reason to be as horrible as he is.

And wouldn't it be Tolkien/Middle Earth's fault anyway

I figured I covered that in:

I do hold Tolkien liable too

But that doesn't make PJ not complicit in having PoC's best shot at Middle Earth be under orc masks. As much as I have the hots for Lurtz, a family of darker-skinned hobbits wouldn't actually break the text. Not more than giving Arwen her action scene, for instance.

In Veep, didn't they call out the VP's mike on her person? Does that mean they caught everything she said even when they were trying for privacy?

Okay, so Joffrey doesn't really get any sympathy. I'm just saying, his raging insanity isn't necessarily his fault, I guess. But neither was Aerys to blame for his own insanity, so no sympathy points.

As a sound footnote upon rewatch, I'm pretty sure this episode features every single one of the major musical themes featured in the show so far.

Understanding that Joff was dealt a shit genetic hand doesn't mean I don't want to see his head on a stake.

Plus, this is not a kid who was abused or neglected -- he was adored and spoiled and well-fed. No matter what's in his genes, he doesn't have a lot of experiential reason to be as horrible as he is.

Yeah, however terrible at parenting Cersei/Robert/Jaime were, I'm pretty sure Gendry's childhood was objectively worse than Joff's. And Jon's, and Dany's, for that matter.

Seriously.

Really want season 4 episode titles. Want to know where they start. . . I'm hoping with Joffrey's wedding. And I'm looking forward to the Mountain/Red Viper fight.

Also - do we think that Jaime sent Brienne to the cells? (as in the book) - but given that Loras Tyrell isn't a White Guard - would that happen?

Chart of prominent eunuchs by episode of GOT.

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