Ben Browder, from Farscape, Stargate: SG1, and occasional guest-star appearances in my dreams.

Bwah! Yours too? The guy gets around, oneirically speaking.

BSG - I gave up on the podcast about 10 minutes before the end. RDM needs to get the frack over the spoiler thing. I swear, the more I hear him whine about it, the more I want to break into the SciFi offices and start stealing scripts so I can post them online. (Note to SciFi honchos: just kidding! Really! I don't even live on that coast!)

Maybe it's just that with the podcasts, he's got more of an outlet to whine about this than Joss & Co did, but I honestly don't remember spoilers being taken so seriously back in the old days. (Taken seriously in the "taken as a personal affront" sense -- obviously ME were masters at leaking foilers when they wanted to, but I always got a sense that they treated it as a game rather than a personal betrayal of everything fandom was supposed to stand for.)

The end of Season 5 definitely made me feel that Joss and the Mutant Enemy folks were having fun with the foiler chaff. It turned out I was actually spoiled for "The Gift," but there were so many contradictory rumors that it felt like being unspoiled. The thing was like Schrödinger's Finale until it actually aired.

Man, the Life on Mars whitefont is killing me. And the thing is, I have the entire series two ahemed but haven't had the chance to watch anything past episode 2. I know I'd be better served by resisting WF and watching the eps unspoiled, but MAN. It's tempting.

Someone on my Flist a few days ago linked to this clip: [link]

I haven't watched 24 Hour Party People, but apparently John Simm was in it and he played the New Order front man Bernard Sumner? (Must Netflix right now OMG!) The clips shows Simm singing with Sumner in a New Order concert, and he has this cute leather jacket-over-hoodie outfit on, and he's all shy about being pulled into stage, then you could see him go, "oh, what the hell" and belting it out with all he's got, and really, it's fucking adorable.

It also helps that I just fell for New Order, 20 years behind everyone else.

Well, and also it was way more difficult to get ahold of stuff like sides and spoilers during the Joss heyday. The online community would pass it around hush-hush so well that it was like fight club. Today, you're like as not going to see thirty livejournal posts blaring the same information, which means a wider spread.

I do think it's kind of ridiculous to bitch about spoilers, though. The folks who care enough to hunt down the spoilers are the avid watchers of the show, so why complain that your audience loves your show so much that you *have* to find out what's going to happen?

And the thing is, I have the entire series two ahemed but haven't had the chance to watch anything past episode 2.

YES. sigh.

Honestly, I do think it was fairly stupid of people to start posting links on the SciFi.com boards -- if you know the creators of the show are reading over you're shoulder, be a little discreet, you know? Thirty LJ posts are still a lot less public than a thread on the network's official board labeled "FINALE SPOILERS OMG!"

That said:

why complain that your audience loves your show so much that you *have* to find out what's going to happen?

Yes! And the people for whom HSQ is a valuable part of the viewing experience don't spoil. So the show isn't "ruined" for anyone. (Barring accidental spoilage, which of course does happen, but it's not the norm, and it's something the spoiler community strives to avoid.)

Anyway, venting over. Moving on.

Honestly, I do think it was fairly stupid of people to start posting links on the SciFi.com boards -- if you know the creators of the show are reading over you're shoulder, be a little discreet, you know? Thirty LJ posts are still a lot less public than a thread on the network's official board labeled "FINALE SPOILERS OMG!"

Heh. Okay, I didn't know that context. That's pretty stupid. And a large part of the reason I have no desire to post on "official" boards.

Does anyone know what happened at TWoP with the BSG finale spoilage? Some posts were deleted, so it was hard for me to follow. I could be wrong, but I think Jacob had to spoil himself, in order to remove spoilers from the spoiler thread. What I can't figure out is why he had to remove spoilers from the spoiler thread. It didn't look like anyone was warned (in fact, I recall a post or two from Jacob noting something was deleted, but no warnings resulted).

Well, and also it was way more difficult to get ahold of stuff like sides and spoilers during the Joss heyday. The online community would pass it around hush-hush so well that it was like fight club. Today, you're like as not going to see thirty livejournal posts blaring the same information, which means a wider spread.

Wow, we're in different LJ circles. For me, Mutant Enemy spoilers were the easiest picking. The spoilers I typically see now pale in comparison, and often aren't worth the trouble it takes to hunt them down.

I was talking pre-LJ.