I have the same questions as GC w/r/t Helo & Athena. Exactly.

Adama was unaware that Hera was alive

I would have doubted that Sharon and Helo would accept that. I thought that they were showing us how close Sharon and Adama got during the occupation so that it would hurt that much more when she discovered that Hera was still alive. They did show that he was unaware this season but I could have sworn he knew about it. I need to rewatch. Regardless, I still think they wouldn't have believed him what with his relationship with Roslin and being the Admiral and all.

Oh. Well, that's a good reason for you to wonder, then!

I guess I forgot that part. I think I'm sort of a lazy TV watcher. Anyway, I guess Baltar is the most likely person. I sort of don't imagine him caring enough about anyone but him to take the time to do that. OTOH, he might have felt like it was his way of atoning. Certainly making more sense now.

About Adm. Adama being a Cylon...my "madness" would come from lazy set-up. If they do a great job a nd knock it out of the park, then I would buy it. Anything short of great storytelling and it will seem like asspulling, I think. If Bill or Laura is the last Cylon, then we need to have a gret set-up. Having said that, if they can do it in a good way, it would be great story telling. Especially now that we know that being a Cylon doesn't necessarily mean that you are actively working against the humans. I'm totally in the corner with Jessica WRT Tigh's response. You are more than your origin. I like that story.

To kvetch a little more, I found the finale to be a total let down. You don't need all the gimmicks (silly sounding "rock" music, rotating camera work, pull-back through universe) if you have a solid story. GF and I were literally laughing out loud at the silliness toward the end (you could practically see the behind-the-scenes people going for broke with their top hats). I kept remembering last season's finale and the big "holy shit" of seeing all those toasters marching through town on New Caprica. Now that's a finale! I'm disappointed and hoping they get it together next year.

GF and I were literally laughing out loud at the silliness toward the end

Me too! My breaking point was the new cylons each reciting a line from the song. Not mysterious! Ridiculous!

I'm also hoping they get it together again next year but I'm not holding out hope. at all.

Oh, lisah, my BSG twinsie. At least I'm in good company.

Maybe because I was spoiled, I don't know, but I found them reciting the lines creee-pee.

::Stands firmly in opposite corner, looking fondly at GC and lisah's::

Oh, I totally didn't mean to be insulting in case it came across that way. I just meant that I was glad not to be the only one in the hated it corner (and that lisah is welcome in my corner anytime). There are a lot of smart pretties in the loved it and liked it corners, too!

The only one that threw me off was Tigh's "said the joker to the thief" which was NOT on the cut they sent out on the press screeners. And I wish they'd left it out, as it's the only line that only makes sense as a quote -- all the rest are generic enough to be coincidences, if taken separately. (Hearing Tyrol say "there's got to be some way out of here" took me instantly to a "that's not the way out" place, and it didn't occur to me to connect it with the other lines at all. DH got it instantly.)

Didn't Tyrol say that in the first half of the finale? I remember hearing that line last week and immediately saying, "Said the joker to the thief," not thinking that they were going to actually go down the songfic road in part two.