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Oh. Well, that's a good reason for you to wonder, then!
I guess I forgot that part. I think I'm sort of a lazy TV watcher. Anyway, I guess Baltar is the most likely person. I sort of don't imagine him caring enough about anyone but him to take the time to do that. OTOH, he might have felt like it was his way of atoning. Certainly making more sense now.
About Adm. Adama being a Cylon...my "madness" would come from lazy set-up. If they do a great job a nd knock it out of the park, then I would buy it. Anything short of great storytelling and it will seem like asspulling, I think. If Bill or Laura is the last Cylon, then we need to have a gret set-up. Having said that, if they can do it in a good way, it would be great story telling. Especially now that we know that being a Cylon doesn't necessarily mean that you are actively working against the humans. I'm totally in the corner with Jessica WRT Tigh's response. You are more than your origin. I like that story.
To kvetch a little more, I found the finale to be a total let down. You don't need all the gimmicks (silly sounding "rock" music, rotating camera work, pull-back through universe) if you have a solid story. GF and I were literally laughing out loud at the silliness toward the end (you could practically see the behind-the-scenes people going for broke with their top hats). I kept remembering last season's finale and the big "holy shit" of seeing all those toasters marching through town on New Caprica. Now that's a finale! I'm disappointed and hoping they get it together next year.
GF and I were literally laughing out loud at the silliness toward the end
Me too! My breaking point was the new cylons each reciting a line from the song. Not mysterious! Ridiculous!
I'm also hoping they get it together again next year but I'm not holding out hope. at all.
Oh, lisah, my BSG twinsie. At least I'm in good company.
Maybe because I was spoiled, I don't know, but I found them reciting the lines creee-pee.
::Stands firmly in opposite corner, looking fondly at GC and lisah's::
Oh, I totally didn't mean to be insulting in case it came across that way. I just meant that I was glad not to be the only one in the hated it corner (and that lisah is welcome in my corner anytime). There are a lot of smart pretties in the loved it and liked it corners, too!
The only one that threw me off was Tigh's "said the joker to the thief" which was NOT on the cut they sent out on the press screeners. And I wish they'd left it out, as it's the only line that only makes sense as a quote -- all the rest are generic enough to be coincidences, if taken separately. (Hearing Tyrol say "there's got to be some way out of here" took me instantly to a "that's not the way out" place, and it didn't occur to me to connect it with the other lines at all. DH got it instantly.)
Didn't Tyrol say that in the first half of the finale? I remember hearing that line last week and immediately saying, "Said the joker to the thief," not thinking that they were going to actually go down the songfic road in part two.
Not insulting at all. Just a friendly wave from an opposite corner (and maybe a little jealousy that y'all are all the way over there, though I do have Jessica, so I'm in good company too).
I think Joss ruined TV for me...or at least raised my expectations. Because it always seemed like there was one little clue thrown out there and then 15 episodes or 2 seasons later we found out what it meant.
But (and I love him above all other TV royalty) his complete list of titles and honors reads: His Royal Highness The Prince Joss, Prince of Misdirect and Earl of Retcon, Duke of Dropped Threads, Baron of Changed Minds and Prince and Great Steward of Handwaving.
Yeah. I assume people feel frustrated because their questions aren't being answered? But I think a lot of the unanswered questions in fandom... aren't. I don't mean this as grumpily as it sounds, but it's a good example: I don't understand why there's any question about who wrote the note. There's never been any indication that it's supposed to be a big mystery, so I've never doubted that it was Baltar. And I see other stuff like that going on in various places. It's like nobody wants to get caught falling for a trick, so there's a demand for things to be triple-sourced when stories just don't work that way.
I agree, Strega -- both with your example and the larger point. I think that's why I don't even remember things like that there was a note. It happens a lot in
Veronica Mars
discussions. Because that is a mystery show though, I understand it, more. So often one piddly thing does matter, that people (and I'm not immune where VM is concerned) feel a letdown when their pet piddly things don't amount to more.
For me it comes down to, Galactica has generally played fair. We generally know slightly more than the characters, and things they know aren't kept secret solely to create mystery. The only exception I can think of is the "what happened between Starbuck and Lee" subplot, which, whatever.
I think BSG has played very fair, particularly considering how complex the story is.
The Cylons have a plan, as we're told every single episode. And yet, during seasons 2 and 3, events tended to show the contrary, with Six and Eight proposing the occupation, and Three continuously dying to try and figure out who the Final Five are. Now we find out that four of the five (if not all) were leaders in the Resistance. What if that is not a coincidence, and they were rebelling b/c they were programmed to resist any deviance from The Plan?
I don't think having a plan is always the same as having a detailed to-do list. It seems to me part of their plan involves producing Human/Cylon hybrids. They had that whole baby factory on post-apocalyptic Caprica, and they're obsessed with Hera. Part of their plan seems to involve getting to earth. I always see Lee's relationship with Bill as an avatar of the Cylons' relationship with humanity.
Part of their plan seems to involve subjugating the human race -- to what end, I can't yet guess. And now that it looks like Chief, Tigh, Anders and Tory are Cylons -- I'm not sure we know which Cylons have a plan. For all we know, it could be the Toasters who have the plan -- not any of the skin jobs.
::stands in Daisy Jane's corner::
He truly is an individual nearly bereft of conscience
I disagree. We've seen plenty of evidence of his conscience. It's just not as powerful as his fear.
Or his self-interest. It really seems only the guilt-component of the conscience is working (to me).
