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And yes, crack and LSD: Four major characters on this mostly realistic space opera each saying one of the first four lines of a great-but-enigmatic pop song from the late 60s while realizing that they are fucking robots and have always been robots and then actually SAYING "We're Cylons and we've always been Cylons." Then a character returns from the dead and then there's this batshit-insane pan-out that takes in several galaxies to fix on our own planet, all in the final 10 minutes of the season. That's on a level far removed from "One Year Later"-crazy. This is wacked-out, hallucinatory madness, and I feel very justified in talking about monkey crack and LSD.
Maybe it's brilliant, too. I certainly haven't thought about much else today, but I can't decide how I feel about it, and that's usually a good sign.
Corwood, man. Turn on. Tune in. Drop out.
no, Robert Plant, I don't think you have any idea where Mordor is
Is it what's bustling the hedgerow?
I suspect that in Plant's private vocabularly "hedgerow" = "my pants."
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I agree though that the circumstances were jarring. Whenever a judge on a tv show says, "I'd like to hear this" or "I'm going to allow it" my eyes tend to do a little sommersault.
Me too. Also, here, I don't care what the panel says they want to hear, once Lee stopped "testifying" and started making a summation, I would object. Just to break up the flow of that. Sheesh Colonial Attorney Who We Have Not Seen Before These Episodes, you never let a "witness" get on roll like that.
Also, how could you NOT cross Lee after that? How about asking: "So, in your view, should we pardon the person who let the Cylons through our defenses 2 years ago?" It's a legit question in response to Lee's "testimony". It also has the added benefit at being a subtle reference to Baltar's other big crime.
"So, in your view, should we pardon the person who let the Cylons through our defenses 2 years ago?" It's a legit question in response to Lee's "testimony". It also has the added benefit at being a subtle reference to Baltar's other big crime.
It would have been a good question to ask. However, the answer is that it doesn't matter. Blanket pardon means blanket pardon.
A new day requires new thinking, and while I had intended on using this occasion as an opportunity to announce the formation of a special prosecutor's office charged with investigating acts of collaboration with the enemy; I have decided instead that a different gesture is called for on this, the first day of my next term as your president. We all feel the need for justice, and we all feel the need for vengeance, and telling the difference between the two can be difficult at times. We are all victims of the Cylons, and none of us can be impartial. I certainly can't. So today I am forming a commission on truth and reconciliation to hear our stories and record them for posterity. There will be no prosecutions. I am issuing a general pardon for every human being in this fleet.
It would have been a good question to ask. However, the answer is that it doesn't matter. Blanket pardon means blanket pardon.
But the blanket pardon Roslin gave did not apply to Baltar -- otherwise he could not have been tried in the first place.
Also, Lee's answer to the question does matter. The jury -- and many of the citizens in the fleet -- might be willing to accept that pardoning these various offenses since the Cylon Attack is appropriate in light of the circumstances. I have a feeling that many of them have done despirate things since then and could hopefully find a way to accept the pardoning of others. But the person who helped bring about the original Cylon Attack -- that is different sin/crime. I don't think that the jurors or most of the fleet would accept the idea of pardoning that person. If Lee argues for a pardon, then he may lose the jury. If he admits that the culpability for the original attack is different, then the prosecutor can argue that Baltar's crimes on New Caprica are also different from the others that Lee discussed.
Also, Lee's answer to the question does matter. The jury -- and many of the citizens in the fleet -- might be willing to accept that pardoning these various offenses since the Cylon Attack is appropriate in light of the circumstances. I have a feeling that many of them have done despirate things since then and could hopefully find a way to accept the pardoning of others. But the person who helped bring about the original Cylon Attack -- that is different sin/crime. I don't think that the jurors or most of the fleet would accept the idea of pardoning that person. If Lee argues for a pardon, then he may lose the jury. If he admits that the culpability for the original attack is different, then the prosecutor can argue that Baltar's crimes on New Caprica are also different from the others that Lee discussed.
Right, plus if you're the prosecutor, you just don't want the panel's last thought to be 'blanket pardon'. You want it to be about Baltar's sins.
Yep. And I wonder if Moore did not give the prosecutor the last word -- or have her raise these points -- because to do so would make too difficult to get Baltar acquitted.
But then that prosecutor was no prize. I mean, when Lee got Roslin to admit that she was taking a substance that caused halucinations, the prosecutor should have established that Roslin was only recently taking that stuff. Then the prosecutor could have shown that Roslin's testimony on the stand was consistent with her earlier statements about what happened. This would undercut Lee's implied argument that Roslin's testimony in court was not accurate or reliable.
Goober lawyer.
