Everyone's getting spanked but me.

Willow ,'The Killer In Me'


Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Topic!Cindy - Mar 26, 2007 11:33:19 am PDT #8760 of 10001
What is even happening?

Don't be alarmed, now.


Theodosia - Mar 26, 2007 11:33:39 am PDT #8761 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I suspect that in Plant's private vocabularly "hedgerow" = "my pants."


Glamcookie - Mar 26, 2007 12:27:54 pm PDT #8762 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

t sits in Corwood's corner


Narrator - Mar 26, 2007 12:28:01 pm PDT #8763 of 10001
The evil is this way?

I agree though that the circumstances were jarring. Whenever a judge on a tv show says, "I'd like to hear this" or "I'm going to allow it" my eyes tend to do a little sommersault.

Me too. Also, here, I don't care what the panel says they want to hear, once Lee stopped "testifying" and started making a summation, I would object. Just to break up the flow of that. Sheesh Colonial Attorney Who We Have Not Seen Before These Episodes, you never let a "witness" get on roll like that.

Also, how could you NOT cross Lee after that? How about asking: "So, in your view, should we pardon the person who let the Cylons through our defenses 2 years ago?" It's a legit question in response to Lee's "testimony". It also has the added benefit at being a subtle reference to Baltar's other big crime.


Daisy Jane - Mar 26, 2007 1:06:03 pm PDT #8764 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

"So, in your view, should we pardon the person who let the Cylons through our defenses 2 years ago?" It's a legit question in response to Lee's "testimony". It also has the added benefit at being a subtle reference to Baltar's other big crime.

It would have been a good question to ask. However, the answer is that it doesn't matter. Blanket pardon means blanket pardon.

A new day requires new thinking, and while I had intended on using this occasion as an opportunity to announce the formation of a special prosecutor's office charged with investigating acts of collaboration with the enemy; I have decided instead that a different gesture is called for on this, the first day of my next term as your president. We all feel the need for justice, and we all feel the need for vengeance, and telling the difference between the two can be difficult at times. We are all victims of the Cylons, and none of us can be impartial. I certainly can't. So today I am forming a commission on truth and reconciliation to hear our stories and record them for posterity. There will be no prosecutions. I am issuing a general pardon for every human being in this fleet.


Narrator - Mar 26, 2007 1:29:31 pm PDT #8765 of 10001
The evil is this way?

It would have been a good question to ask. However, the answer is that it doesn't matter. Blanket pardon means blanket pardon.

But the blanket pardon Roslin gave did not apply to Baltar -- otherwise he could not have been tried in the first place.

Also, Lee's answer to the question does matter. The jury -- and many of the citizens in the fleet -- might be willing to accept that pardoning these various offenses since the Cylon Attack is appropriate in light of the circumstances. I have a feeling that many of them have done despirate things since then and could hopefully find a way to accept the pardoning of others. But the person who helped bring about the original Cylon Attack -- that is different sin/crime. I don't think that the jurors or most of the fleet would accept the idea of pardoning that person. If Lee argues for a pardon, then he may lose the jury. If he admits that the culpability for the original attack is different, then the prosecutor can argue that Baltar's crimes on New Caprica are also different from the others that Lee discussed.


Topic!Cindy - Mar 26, 2007 1:47:11 pm PDT #8766 of 10001
What is even happening?

Also, Lee's answer to the question does matter. The jury -- and many of the citizens in the fleet -- might be willing to accept that pardoning these various offenses since the Cylon Attack is appropriate in light of the circumstances. I have a feeling that many of them have done despirate things since then and could hopefully find a way to accept the pardoning of others. But the person who helped bring about the original Cylon Attack -- that is different sin/crime. I don't think that the jurors or most of the fleet would accept the idea of pardoning that person. If Lee argues for a pardon, then he may lose the jury. If he admits that the culpability for the original attack is different, then the prosecutor can argue that Baltar's crimes on New Caprica are also different from the others that Lee discussed.

Right, plus if you're the prosecutor, you just don't want the panel's last thought to be 'blanket pardon'. You want it to be about Baltar's sins.


Narrator - Mar 26, 2007 2:12:48 pm PDT #8767 of 10001
The evil is this way?

Yep. And I wonder if Moore did not give the prosecutor the last word -- or have her raise these points -- because to do so would make too difficult to get Baltar acquitted.

But then that prosecutor was no prize. I mean, when Lee got Roslin to admit that she was taking a substance that caused halucinations, the prosecutor should have established that Roslin was only recently taking that stuff. Then the prosecutor could have shown that Roslin's testimony on the stand was consistent with her earlier statements about what happened. This would undercut Lee's implied argument that Roslin's testimony in court was not accurate or reliable.

Goober lawyer.


Topic!Cindy - Mar 26, 2007 2:22:36 pm PDT #8768 of 10001
What is even happening?

Maybe all their good lawyers were killed in the apocalypse, and the surviving ones are just nugget lawyers?


Narrator - Mar 26, 2007 2:30:16 pm PDT #8769 of 10001
The evil is this way?

Maybe. Maybe they just need to get Joseph Adama's law books back from Lee and read up on this stuff. Or watch old re-runs of "Law & Order: Caprica."