I actually mourned Buffy's death in The Gift deeply, even knowing that she was coming back. I guess I just don't have as deep an emotional involvement with Starbuck.

Well, we knew Buffy was dead. Dead dead. There's her body, there's her gravesite, there's her tombstone dead. "Deaths" where there's no body are harder for me to take seriously, because most of the time, you know they're not really dead.

"Deaths" where there's no body are harder for me to take seriously, because most of the time, you know they're not really dead.

Yeah. She's a Schrodinger's Starbuck. We won't know what the hell happened until we open the damn box, probably in the season finale.

Oh, in no way did Starbuck's "death" have the same emotional impact on me that Buffy's did. I seriously cried for days, after Buffy died. One of my favorite memories is my little Julia (I think she was 2 and a half) patting me on the bum (because that's what she could reach) and saying, "Mommy, I torry Bucky died."

I just mean that I'm in the BSG story enough, that for now, Starbuck is dead to me, unless/until they show me she isn't -- so in that sense, yeah, I believe she died.

Certainly as far as the other characters are concerned, she's dead.

I really liked the bathroom scene with Helo, which touched on a friendship that we haven't seen in a long-feeling time.

Oh, I liked that scene too. I really like it when Helo and Kara hangout.

While discussing the nature of the cloud vortex over at LJ, we talked about possibility that the vortex could be a wormhole. Which immediately gave me Farscape flashbacks. It could either be a direct passage to Milky Way/the Earth, or another wacky (if less likely) possibility is that it could lead to some kind of AU. I know BSG has by and large avoided the more common Sci-Fi tropes, but I have a HUGE kink about AU/multiverse or anything that messes with Time, so... I'll just sit on the corner and geek out about the possibility. I mean, there's gotta be some kind of huge paradigm shift at the end of the season, right?

The obvious plot point that I think they may be playing to here is that the "dying leader who will bring them to Earth" is Starbuck. She's being set up as a messiah figure, and she will no longer be the Starbuck we knew, no matter if she comes back or not. So, Yes, Starbuck is dead. Long Live Starbuck.

Oh, ColinG, that makes me think she won't be back at all.

cereal...

I've been meaning to ask this for weeks. I keep seeing the name David Simkins on the credits of The Dresden Files. Did he sorta-kinda briefly work as the show-runner on Angel, in a I-wasn't-thinking-about-you-when-you-were-here way? The name is very familiar.

The obvious plot point that I think they may be playing to here is that the "dying leader who will bring them to Earth" is Starbuck.

So you're thinking of a different interpretation of the participle?