I wish Starbuck is dead, but I know she's not. I don't like her. She became one note for me long ago--the tortured nutso maverick soldier. Yeah, many words, one note.

In a way (and I found this true with BtVS and with VM S2, to some extent), I'm glad I didn't find the series until this year. I have seen the same number of episodes that everyone else has seen, but I haven't had the time to develop the level of character and plot fatigue that might be natural in a show's third season. I still love pretty much everyone, and even Cally doesn't bother me to the extent she seems to bother most people.

I mean, I knew Buffy was coming back, after The Gift, but she was still dead to me. I don't know if I can explain my headspace because it's more emotional than rational.

I actually mourned Buffy's death in The Gift deeply, even knowing that she was coming back. I guess I just don't have as deep an emotional involvement with Starbuck. I mean, I find her character fascinating and am interested to see where they take her next, but she doesn't reside in the same heart-space in me as Buffy or Claire or Pam. And with all the issues I've had with the show this season, I find myself unable to divorce the story from the meta.

New Heroes tonight! I actually ended up aheming the Canadian broadcast from yesterday -- it was all ready for viewing this morning and it took some restraint not to burn the eppy onto a CD so that I could watch it during the lunch time. I'm on tetherhooks! Mostly though, I wonder whether we'll finally get to learn the Haitian's name. I mean, Claire would be roadtripping with him for days. She can't just keep on calling him "the Haitian" or "you" or "a tall, hot drink of water" (oh, sorry; that last one was me.)

I actually mourned Buffy's death in The Gift deeply, even knowing that she was coming back. I guess I just don't have as deep an emotional involvement with Starbuck.

I'm with you here.

I actually mourned Buffy's death in The Gift deeply, even knowing that she was coming back. I guess I just don't have as deep an emotional involvement with Starbuck.

Well, we knew Buffy was dead. Dead dead. There's her body, there's her gravesite, there's her tombstone dead. "Deaths" where there's no body are harder for me to take seriously, because most of the time, you know they're not really dead.

"Deaths" where there's no body are harder for me to take seriously, because most of the time, you know they're not really dead.

Yeah. She's a Schrodinger's Starbuck. We won't know what the hell happened until we open the damn box, probably in the season finale.

Oh, in no way did Starbuck's "death" have the same emotional impact on me that Buffy's did. I seriously cried for days, after Buffy died. One of my favorite memories is my little Julia (I think she was 2 and a half) patting me on the bum (because that's what she could reach) and saying, "Mommy, I torry Bucky died."

I just mean that I'm in the BSG story enough, that for now, Starbuck is dead to me, unless/until they show me she isn't -- so in that sense, yeah, I believe she died.

Certainly as far as the other characters are concerned, she's dead.

I really liked the bathroom scene with Helo, which touched on a friendship that we haven't seen in a long-feeling time.

Oh, I liked that scene too. I really like it when Helo and Kara hangout.

While discussing the nature of the cloud vortex over at LJ, we talked about possibility that the vortex could be a wormhole. Which immediately gave me Farscape flashbacks. It could either be a direct passage to Milky Way/the Earth, or another wacky (if less likely) possibility is that it could lead to some kind of AU. I know BSG has by and large avoided the more common Sci-Fi tropes, but I have a HUGE kink about AU/multiverse or anything that messes with Time, so... I'll just sit on the corner and geek out about the possibility. I mean, there's gotta be some kind of huge paradigm shift at the end of the season, right?

The obvious plot point that I think they may be playing to here is that the "dying leader who will bring them to Earth" is Starbuck. She's being set up as a messiah figure, and she will no longer be the Starbuck we knew, no matter if she comes back or not. So, Yes, Starbuck is dead. Long Live Starbuck.