SPN: I choose to believe that Meg lied when she told Dean that she was on her own mission. I think that by trying to get Dean to kill Sam she not only messes with Dean's head - possibly taking him out of the game but also gets rid of Sam. I hope that this means that contrary to what John, Sam and Dean believe that whatever thing Sam is - it's not inherently evil.
Danger's my birthright.
Buffy ,'The Killer In Me'
Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."
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sumi - Feb 09, 2007 7:32:56 am PST #6399 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
SailAweigh - Feb 09, 2007 7:39:14 am PST #6400 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb
I've been drawing a lot of parallels in my head between Sam and season 5 Dawn. Sam is whiney, wants to know if he's a real boy and now is something ambiguous as to good/evil. The YED is SPN's version of Glory and every body it inhabits is a Ben.
sumi - Feb 09, 2007 7:42:02 am PST #6401 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
One of the things that's odd to me is the idea that the demon that possessed Sam and Meg is necessarily female. In my head, I guess, the demon would just possess whoever and it didn't necessarily follow that if it possessed a woman that the demon was female.
P.M. Marc - Feb 09, 2007 7:54:47 am PST #6402 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
One of the things that's odd to me is the idea that the demon that possessed Sam and Meg is necessarily female. In my head, I guess, the demon would just possess whoever and it didn't necessarily follow that if it possessed a woman that the demon was female.
The YED referred to it as his daughter in Devil's Trap.
Possessed Sam = way, way, way creepier than Possessed John.
I mean, I swear I have deeper thoughts, but there's this combination of full body shudder and raar mixing in such a way as to shut down my brain.
Lee - Feb 09, 2007 9:04:21 am PST #6403 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
Possessed Sam = way, way, way creepier than Possessed John.
Yep. I think the fact that Sam has always tried to be normal, and not live in the shadows, while John lived a hell of a lot closer to the things he hunts makes the switch creepier. Plus, I think the physical changes between Demon!Sam and Sam that Beverly mentioned made the demon version more strikingly Other and Wrong from his host.
Nutty - Feb 09, 2007 9:47:19 am PST #6404 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
The YED referred to it as his daughter in Devil's Trap.
Well, at that point it had only (to canon's knowledge) inhabited a female body. I would tend to presume, based on comparative demonology, that there isn't a reason for a demon to have a sex at all, being as it is black smoke and general ghoulishness, when in its own form. So it would take on the sex of the body it inhabits.
The day Dean is possessed is -- well, okay, it would probably be the end of the show, but, I wonder whether The End would come from plot-related reasons, or the film melting in the camera.
§ ita § - Feb 09, 2007 10:12:32 am PST #6405 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Do you think when it was hanging out with John or climbing back up out of hell that it was still a black smoke and had no body?
Nutty - Feb 09, 2007 10:19:31 am PST #6406 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Do you think when it was hanging out with John or climbing back up out of hell that it was still a black smoke and had no body?
Well, in Salvation, when it comes after Baby Rose, it takes a (shadowy) humanoid shape, and then dissolves back into smoke to evade Sam's bullet. So, yeah, I guess so.
§ ita § - Feb 09, 2007 10:30:06 am PST #6407 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
You mean the non-humanoid configuration is its default, or the shadowy humanoid?
P.M. Marc - Feb 09, 2007 10:32:25 am PST #6408 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Yep. I think the fact that Sam has always tried to be normal, and not live in the shadows, while John lived a hell of a lot closer to the things he hunts makes the switch creepier.
Someone pointed out on LJ that part of the creepy factor is also that regular Sam is such an actor, and so very good at lying in everyday life. I'm rewording that poorly. Stupid brain.