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Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Theodosia - Jan 12, 2007 9:02:59 am PST #5265 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

FWIW, I too noted there was a non-white cop in the background of the arrest scene.


§ ita § - Jan 12, 2007 9:09:04 am PST #5266 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

it's hard for me to turn off my reality-meter now it's on.

As long as they keep battling demons in their own mythology, it's not something I have a problem with.

I'm just...I'm just not an apologist. I swear to god. I have no particular fondness for the people who produce the show. It's just that I, from a politically and racially charged background, would have to work to lay an offensive template over some of the things to which people are reacting viscerally. There's a little voice in the back of my head asking "I bet those coonin' minstrelsy performers were grateful for the money too," but that's the best I can do with skepticism.

Gordon, to me, was primarily just a guy. There are things the text could have done to raise my eyebrows, but he wasn't punished by the patriarchy for sleeping with a white woman, nor prevented from eating/sitting/drinking outside of where he was allowed, nor strung up by a group of white men. He wasn't portrayed as particularly stupid (just plot-required stupid), cowardly, or lazy. He was portrayed as a guy who wasn't even going to pay for all the crimes he'd committed, probably. Just a lawbreaker arrested. Just a guy.

And, fuck it, I'm glad the actor got the gig. Go him. It's a role written without much shading, but he's working the hell out of that bitch. And I can't imagine the role was written with race in mind.

::jubilation/I'm down on my knees/I'm begging you please..::

Yeah, need to get that out of my head.

eta:

I too noted there was a non-white cop in the background of the arrest scene.

Does this affect anyone's discomfort, those of you who were bothered?


Nutty - Jan 12, 2007 9:53:57 am PST #5267 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I didn't see him/her. I saw COPS. (Not the TV show.) They were uniforms and weapons, not people at all. (Really, as befits a bunch of extras acting as a plot device.)

I agree, that Gordon has the potential to be a [non-racially-significant] Guy. We've got enough backstory on him to be tantalized and speculative about his emo pain; he wears a cowboy hat; he seems very interested in Dean's approval. He's nearly to that level of personhood that the vast majority of guest-stars don't even attempt. Just that one scene freaked me out, really. It's hard for me to watch that scene and not apply reality-context.


askye - Jan 12, 2007 10:00:54 am PST #5268 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

Nothing about Gordon and the cops pinged me. I just saw Sam come up with a sensible way to get Gordon out of the way without killing him. I did wonder if Sam had tipped them of that Gordon might be the man who killed what's his name at the beginning of the episode.


Laura - Jan 12, 2007 10:41:49 am PST #5269 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

I didn't see him/her. I saw COPS. (Not the TV show.) They were uniforms and weapons, not people at all. (Really, as befits a bunch of extras acting as a plot device.)

I saw it this way too. I didn't know any of the characters before last night. None of the scenes made my mind head in a race direction. Was just people. I don't know if something in the previously established relationships would have made me view them in a different light.


§ ita § - Jan 12, 2007 10:45:24 am PST #5270 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Nutty, in the same way as you just saw people with guns, I just saw Gordon the person being arrested.


Lee - Jan 12, 2007 11:10:12 am PST #5271 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I just saw Gordon the person being arrested.

me too. The way Gordon as a character was written was so race neutral to me that his capture didn't ping any racial reaction.


sumi - Jan 12, 2007 11:31:13 am PST #5272 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

There are 2 (!) director's cuts for next week's Supernatural.


P.M. Marc - Jan 12, 2007 11:33:28 am PST #5273 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

And they are both made of awesome!


Glamcookie - Jan 12, 2007 12:53:59 pm PST #5274 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

t points to tag, which used to say "I've got the Jensen Ackles real bad"

GF still says this all the time but it has morphed into (whitefonted for the squeamish) cramps at that time of the month. HA!