I've seen honest faces before. They usually come attached to liars.

Willow ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


sumi - Jan 12, 2007 7:23:24 am PST #5255 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

I've been to Lafayette, IN briefly. . . but I have not a clue how integrated or not the town or the police force is.


shrift - Jan 12, 2007 7:30:03 am PST #5256 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

You know, I'm pretty sure that group of cops wasn't all white. Whether that makes a difference to the discussion is something else.


Polter-Cow - Jan 12, 2007 7:51:18 am PST #5257 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

ita, that didn't set off anything in mine either. What was going off in my mind was, "Have they said that's Gordon, or am I just assuming that because he's black; I don't remember exactly what he looked like; I wish they would go ahead and confirm that it's him so I could stop feeling racist."


Nutty - Jan 12, 2007 8:15:15 am PST #5258 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

this completely fails to set off any of mine. In fact, I'm having a hard time even seeing why they should be tripped for other people.

I will say, seeing a black man with guns in his hand surrounded by tense cops is -- alarming. I expected him to be shot basically on sight, not arrested peacefully. Just the staging of that scene seemed to undercut its own intent: we're supposed to go "yay, caught" because we like Sam & Dean, but the tableaux that was presented me did not result in a yay. I got caught up in that moment in the social significance of it, and sudden fear for Gordon, and forgot the narrative significance.

It also bugs me whenever people speak of the human race, because, it's confusing and anyway 'species' is my word-choice, but I'm aware that I canna dictate words for all peoples, and anyway hinterlands people-of-action would probably choose that word no matter what I told them.


§ ita § - Jan 12, 2007 8:29:30 am PST #5259 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I could not tell you what the races of the cops were beyond about the first one or two shown. When Gordon went down on his knees, I wasn't pinged enough to check.

Now, had this been a remotely socially edgy show, and/or one created/written/produced by black folk, my pump would more likely have been primed.

Perhaps I'm too Pollyanna, but the idea of a guilty black man merely arrested by law-abiding white cops isn't remote enough to me for me to be jolted just by that.

Gordon starting to talk shit, one of the cops being depicted as overly aggressive...yeah, Supernatural could take me down that path.

But they didn't.

It was clearly the non-lethal way to take him out of the picture that I didn't give it a second thought. Five years ago...I can't say. But I have had a huge amount more exposure to cops (including white ones) and in the same way a black guy ranting about "racial" purity doesn't do me any way, neither does the idea of cops actually doing their jobs.


P.M. Marc - Jan 12, 2007 8:29:32 am PST #5260 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Nutty, your first paragraph just nailed it for me.

Then how does he plan to survive? Self defense is okay, I wager.

Escape and evade? I think he's sure enough of his own abilities to stay out of Dean's way. And I also think, in Gordon's head, giving Dean a fair shot and time to come around and see sense this time makes taking him out in self defense more acceptable, should it come to that.


§ ita § - Jan 12, 2007 8:40:10 am PST #5261 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I can't believe I'm the law abiding can't we all get along person in this scenario.

However, I just worked out why Cecilia (Simon and Garfunkel, natch) was on loop through my head, so perhaps I don't deserve a voice.


Lee - Jan 12, 2007 8:41:28 am PST #5262 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

However, I just worked out why Cecilia (Simon and Garfunkel, natch) was on loop through my head, so perhaps I don't deserve a voice.

Is that my fault?


Lee - Jan 12, 2007 8:41:35 am PST #5263 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

oops

hey, does anyone know how long it takes for eps to show up on Itunes? I bought a season pass, and they still don't have the demonic possession ep up yet.


Nutty - Jan 12, 2007 8:47:22 am PST #5264 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

It's doubly Lee's fault!

I've been primed to look at everything on Supernatural through a socially-aware lens, since I started complaining last season about how it was an all-boy universe. The woman quotient (and more importantly, the woman neither screamy-helpless nor Evil quotient) has gone way up, but, it's hard for me to turn off my reality-meter now it's on.

Like, I watched Buffy for seven years able to ignore or hand-wave serious social-reality phenomena, but, it's harder for me to do that now. If only Supernatural were funnier!!