Everything looks good from here... Yes. Yes, this is a fertile land, and we will thrive. We will rule over all this land, and we will call it... 'This Land.' I think we should call it 'your grave!' Ah, curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal! Ha ha HA! Mine is an evil laugh! Now die! Oh, no, God! Oh, dear God in heaven!

Wash ,'Serenity'


Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


P.M. Marc - Jan 12, 2007 1:04:43 pm PST #5275 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

That's both hilarious and kinda sense making.


Kate P. - Jan 12, 2007 1:37:21 pm PST #5276 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I too noted there was a non-white cop in the background of the arrest scene.

Does this affect anyone's discomfort, those of you who were bothered?

A little bit. I wasn't much pinged by the scene myself, though it did make me think "I bet people are going to be bothered by this scene," but then seeing the black cop made it a much more neutral tableau, in my eyes.


Java cat - Jan 12, 2007 2:53:15 pm PST #5277 of 10001
Not javachik

I think you have to have your Tivo hooked up to broadband, but I may be incorrect about that.

Remote programming works with regular cable + phone line connection, too. I was programming sweeps month finales from a cramped, sweaty Internet cafe in Mexico last Nov. and May.

eta fix tenses


Consuela - Jan 12, 2007 3:04:27 pm PST #5278 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I admit I wasn't much pinged by Gordon's arrest. What made me twitch was the "racial purity" line and the Godwin Hitler invocation; both of them because they sound bad coming out of anyone's mouth, but the racial purity line was particularly problematic coming from a black man, given the history in which that reasoning was used against the black community.

I think it's possible the SPN writers thought it would be interesting to have Gordon say it; I think it just sounded stupid and made Gordon's case that much weaker.

As for what was Gordon planning to do with Dean, well, 2 issues there. First, turnabout is fair play--he may well have planned to leave him tied up there for three days and then call the cops. Second, as noted above, he really was trying to bond with Dean, to convince him he was right. Hell, his taunt of Sam at the end was more about convincing Dean Gordon was right than anything else. Gordon's gotta get Dean on his side, or Gordon's killing of his own sister is unjustified, and he can't have that, not if he respects Dean, and he clearly does. And he can't convince Dean if Dean's dead.


§ ita § - Jan 12, 2007 3:23:36 pm PST #5279 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

the racial purity line was particularly problematic coming from a black man, given the history in which that reasoning was used against the black community

I'm guessing then, that you haven't heard the line used within the black community? Because that's where my head went, albeit lightly. I may never know if the SPN people were being ironic, ignorant, or pointed.

But until I read it in LJ, it didn't occur to me to parse the racial purity line a third way. Because my brain was all filled up with the story's way, and with a black guy's way.


Consuela - Jan 12, 2007 3:31:46 pm PST #5280 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

you haven't heard the line used within the black community

I have not. Is it used?


SailAweigh - Jan 12, 2007 4:38:27 pm PST #5281 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

but the racial purity line was particularly problematic coming from a black man,

I don't see that. Maybe I'm a little dense, but from the way I've seen black male friends treated by their friends because they were dating a white woman, I think there has been just as much concern among the black community towards "racial purity" as anything you see coming from the white community. Just because it isn't as highly exposed to mainstream America (white America) in the media I don't think we can presume it isn't there.


§ ita § - Jan 12, 2007 10:18:37 pm PST #5282 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What Sail said. The term "oreo" is an example of the attitude, but that's just psychological impurity. Drop Squad deals with that premise. Then you have sayings like "the darker the juice the sweeter the berry." You have black people that are violently resistant to the idea they have any non-black blood in them at all, even when it seems to be patently obvious--people who claim that the white blood must be ignored since it was introduced through rape, and get pissy when you explain that white people married black people too, and some of them are your ancestors.

You have philosophies that melanin is what brings you closer to being soulful and enlightened, and you hear it spouted by some of the lightest-skinned folk, and it's so perplexing you can't even beging to engage in the conversation.

Put it this way--when some black people get all "Back to Africa," many of them don't think of taking any white blood there. Despite there being damned few "pure" black people in the US.

Fuck, my dad got some grief for marrying my mother, and she's fucking black too. Apparently it meant he wasn't down with the cause of the people.

So, yeah. It's used. And then some.


WindSparrow - Jan 13, 2007 4:40:30 am PST #5283 of 10001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Gentlepersons, I bring you A List of Klingon Fairy Tales.


Kate P. - Jan 13, 2007 12:06:35 pm PST #5284 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Hey, my Doctor Who Season 2 DVDs just shipped! I don't often preorder from Amazon, so I don't know if they usually ship out way ahead of the release date like this, but this means they might actually arrive before I leave for vacation next Saturday! That would be too cool. t happy dance