Lords of Kobol, there's no hope for my earlier post. Sorry for the mess.

You don't do an outsider episode until your main characters are pretty well-established.

Maybe the assumption is that the Doctor is well-established regardless of who is currently playing him. He has the full depth of the canon behind him. Rose is on her second season, so she'd also qualify.

Maybe the assumption is that the Doctor is well-established regardless of who is currently playing him. He has the full depth of the canon behind him.

This is how I looked at it, especially seeing as DT's portrayal of the Doctor draws on so many aspects of previous characterizations. I suppose it might not work so well for those who have not seen much of the Old School Who, or if they had, were not yet completely won over by the New Who.

Finally got around to Lost Room -- what a disappointing last act! I was really loving it up until the very end, and then it just kind of fizzled. After all that talk throughout the series about how using objects has a price, blah blah objects are dangerous, did we mention about the price of using objects and the dangerousnesscakes? there was no price for Joe becoming an object himself??? He just walks into the room, comes out with his daughter, and then drives off into the sunset? It made me wonder if maybe they'd originally planned for a bleaker ending, but the network didn't like it.

I think that you're probably right. Although I can imagine that if this was a series we would discover what the price is during the show.

Lost Room: I think I would've preferred a bleaker ending as well. Such as Joe walks out with his daughter, and Julianna's character has no idea why she's there or who he is, and Ms. Fanning doesn't remember her father and is carted off to her mother, who as far as she can remember, has been a single mother since her kid was born after a forgettable one-night stand, and Joe is alone in the world, losing everything, so he has to find solace that his daughter is okay now.

and if it was turned into a series, I think the more tragic scenario would lend itself towards that as well (also, it gets Fanning and Marguiles out of the picture)

Okay, does Lost Room stuff really need to be whitefonted?

I can totally imagine that not only would Joe's daughter not know him -- but why would she even exist? If his being is no longer part of the dimension that he and Anna etc lived in -- why would she exist?

Or, it could be that what happened with the incident is that the original occupant got taken out of his own dimension and thrown into one in which he didn't exist. Perhaps, what could happen to Joe is that even though he thinks he's okay, actually at any moment he could be tossed into other versions of that reality.

Joe's daughter would exist because she was in the room at the time. His GF wouldn't remember him.

I agree with the assessment that there wasn't enough pain in the ending. Getting her back, but markedly on the run from the other factions, perhaps. But they were all left hanging.

Well, Joe is on the run for history's most poorly executed frame job (seriously, cops didn't check Ruper for powder burns, notice him emptying his bank accounts, bailing on his wife, and leaving a trail of traumatized police behind him?) and kidnapping the Fanning spawn. That won't make for an idyllic child-raising environment, though it's not directly a price of becoming an object.